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Well it's not like that graph for the AMD memory... that was ridiculous.
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^All offense meant to Tom's, you have to be incompetant to make an OC cause that much of a change in idle power consumption. They're not running HWBot benches, there's no need to disable all the power-saving features when you overclock.
 
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^All offense meant to Tom's, you have to be incompetant to make an OC cause that much of a change in idle power consumption. They're not running HWBot benches, there's no need to disable all the power-saving features when you overclock.

Well even stock doesn't look that pretty. Although 1.5v+ is a bit crazy.
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Can I steal this?

I'm not Apple
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This graph concerns me. I had no idea the gap was that large. I never thought that Llano was some sort of record holder in terms of power consumption, but that's pretty bad.
On the other hand, there's a major advantage to using an A8 vs. SNB Pentium + 6670: you can always add in a graphics card later. With the dedicated GPU setup, you can't always do that - especially with a budget board - as most of them won't have an additional slot. Even if there was an additional slot and you decided to crossfire an additional 6670, you'd be able to do the same with the Llano platform. I hope that makes sense. redface.gif
Also, like someone pointed out earlier, there's the form factor benefit of Llano.
I never felt like Llano was some sort of home run product... it's got its niche. It's great in laptops, and until recently with the price drop on the 6670 (which made this article possible), it was pretty good in a budget desktop build. Still, the main thing that AMD offers over Intel is overclocking - even locked multiplier CPUs can be pushed a bit, while with Intel you're basically stuck unless you buy a dead-end platform or pony up for a 2500k.

That's... shocking, actually. Especially considering that Llano laptops according to reviews tend to have great battery life.
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I'm not Apple
Rofl.
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That's... shocking, actually. Especially considering that Llano laptops according to reviews tend to have great battery life.
Well apparently laptop parts are a different story:
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I guess it is still behind Sandy Bridge though. Frickin' Sandy Bridge... how does it work?
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The $140 doesn't include RAM, does it? rolleyes.gif
I could easily say an Intel motherboard is more costly anyway so your point is moot
http://www.overclockers.com/overclocking-amds-llano-apu/
shows a typical ~10% performance increase between 1866 and 2256, and since according to your own research memory scaling isn't as great abov 1600MHz... you can imagine the performance increase

You're right that $140 doesn't include RAM, but if you're comparing systems at a certain price point then you want all components to be priced somewhat evenly. The 2400MHz RAM kit they used in the review would sell for about $150—great price for a ~10% gain! Looking at Newegg right now, G.Skill 2 x 2GB 1600 CL9 is $30, 2 x 4GB 1600 CL9 is $47, and 2 x 4GB 2133 CL9 is $75. It's not clear that someone building a Llano rig would necessarily do enough multi-tasking to need the 8GB, so depending on how you look at it it's either an extra $45 or $28. Those figures could easily represent a 15-20% increase in the total cost of the system.

Now let's consider the best reasons for building a Llano rig. Last I checked they can compete on the basis of price, form factor, and power savings. If price is an issue, spending that much more on RAM doesn't make a whole lot of sense. By overclocking like that, you also lose the form factor benefit because you need good cooling and you lose the power savings advantage. At that point, you may as well just get an i3-2100 or FX-4100 + dedicated GPU.
     
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Rofl.
Well apparently laptop parts are a different story:
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I guess it is still behind Sandy Bridge though. Frickin' Sandy Bridge... how does it work?

Perhaps Tom's just got a bad chip? GloFo's 32nm yields are terrible and the chips leak more power than BP leaked oil in the Gulf. Wouldn't be surprising if some chips were much more power efficient than others. I've never seen anything showing Llano to be so inefficient before...

Sandy Bridge is just an urban legend; that kind of chip is impossible with current technology.
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You're right that $140 doesn't include RAM, but if you're comparing systems at a certain price point then you want all components to be priced somewhat evenly. The 2400MHz RAM kit they used in the review would sell for about $150—great price for a ~10% gain! Looking at Newegg right now, G.Skill 2 x 2GB 1600 CL9 is $30, 2 x 4GB 1600 CL9 is $47, and 2 x 4GB 2133 CL9 is $75. It's not clear that someone building a Llano rig would necessarily do enough multi-tasking to need the 8GB, so depending on how you look at it it's either an extra $45 or $28. Those figures could easily represent a 15-20% increase in the total cost of the system.
Now let's consider the best reasons for building a Llano rig. Last I checked they can compete on the basis of price, form factor, and power savings. If price is an issue, spending that much more on RAM doesn't make a whole lot of sense. By overclocking like that, you also lose the form factor benefit because you need good cooling and you lose the power savings advantage. At that point, you may as well just get an i3-2100 or FX-4100 + dedicated GPU.

Those G.Skill kits are p expensive compared to other guys like Team, just that their availability is greater... perhaps buy some of that cheap 30nm Samsung 1600MHz RAM and OC it to 2200?
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Some one should re-do this and use the same GPU. I to me what makes it unfair is the fact that they used a different GPU for the both of them. I feel they should use the same GPU for the Pentium and the APU.
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Some one should re-do this and use the same GPU. I to me what makes it unfair is the fact that they used a different GPU for the both of them. I feel they should use the same GPU for the Pentium and the APU.

that's the point doh.gif
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that's the point doh.gif
I know -.o why does Toms hate AMD so much?
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