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You're right that $140 doesn't include RAM, but if you're comparing systems at a certain price point then you want all components to be priced somewhat evenly. The 2400MHz RAM kit they used in the review would sell for about $150—great price for a ~10% gain! Looking at Newegg right now, G.Skill 2 x 2GB 1600 CL9 is $30, 2 x 4GB 1600 CL9 is $47, and 2 x 4GB 2133 CL9 is $75. It's not clear that someone building a Llano rig would necessarily do enough multi-tasking to need the 8GB, so depending on how you look at it it's either an extra $45 or $28. Those figures could easily represent a 15-20% increase in the total cost of the system.
Now let's consider the best reasons for building a Llano rig. Last I checked they can compete on the basis of price, form factor, and power savings. If price is an issue, spending that much more on RAM doesn't make a whole lot of sense. By overclocking like that, you also lose the form factor benefit because you need good cooling and you lose the power savings advantage. At that point, you may as well just get an i3-2100 or FX-4100 + dedicated GPU.

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They should of got a 140 dollar intel cpu with onboard gpu and tested it like that. Thats what a lano is a cpu with an onboard gpu.
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They should of got a 140 dollar intel cpu with onboard gpu and tested it like that. Thats what a lano is a cpu with an onboard gpu.

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If you have a Microcenter nearby, you have an i3-2100 lurking at the $100 mark that will smoke the AMD chips in gaming.

Yet you have $40 to spend in a GPU. That advantage the APU will have will be far too much than anything the stronger i3 will compensate.
   
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APU vs a weak Video Card is a comparison?

So they are comparing price point essentially?

Um who cares? I wouldn't buy a shoddy Video Card for one..

An APU will work for HTPC, mobile computers, and NON-GAMING systems, but if you want to game for real, who's going to waste their time with an APU? Seriously!

Secondly everyone who knows anything about the AMD vs Intel comparison knows without any doubt that Intel will smoke the FX off of AMD all day long, Performance Wise...

When you compare performance AMD doesn't stand a freaking prayer versus the Sandy Bridge CPUs...

Now, if you want to talk Intel vs AMD in integrated CPU/GPU Performance, then yeah AMD wins in the Video Department, but performance wise, Intel will just murder AMD..

AMD APU = Good for Mobile Tech or HTPC (Home Theater PC)
Intel CPUs are better for everything else!

I'm not an "Intel Fan" per say, but I do know the truth, and the truth is AMD really isn't even a comparison nor competition in the Desktop Market, end of discussion.
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Yet you have $40 to spend in a GPU. That advantage the APU will have will be far too much than anything the stronger i3 will compensate.

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APU vs a weak Video Card is a comparison?
So they are comparing price point essentially?
Um who cares? I wouldn't buy a shoddy Video Card for one..
An APU will work for HTPC, mobile computers, and NON-GAMING systems, but if you want to game for real, who's going to waste their time with an APU? Seriously!

Secondly everyone who knows anything about the AMD vs Intel comparison knows without any doubt that Intel will smoke the FX off of AMD all day long, Performance Wise...
When you compare performance AMD doesn't stand a freaking prayer versus the Sandy Bridge CPUs...
Now, if you want to talk Intel vs AMD in integrated CPU/GPU Performance, then yeah AMD wins in the Video Department, but performance wise, Intel will just murder AMD..
AMD APU = Good for Mobile Tech or HTPC (Home Theater PC)
Intel CPUs are better for everything else!
I'm not an "Intel Fan" per say, but I do know the truth, and the truth is AMD really isn't even a comparison nor competition in the Desktop Market, end of discussion.

Are you being serious? Why would you not compare systems on the basis of price? Last I checked, when most people shop for things they make decisions for what to buy on the basis of price and what they'll be getting for it. For those that don't have unlimited budgets, price will always take first priority. No, the APU is not a top contender for people on OCN building a high-end gaming PC, but it's a good choice for people on a limited budget who want a computer for casual tasks and a bit of gaming. Who are you to judge what it means to "game for real"? Seriously!

Before your edit, you also mentioned comparing the APU to an Intel quad-core and how it would be smoked by it. On Newegg, Intel's cheapest quad-core is the i5-2300 for $180. Add a comparable GPU and the Intel system is $100 more than AMD, for an increase in price of a mere 71% on the CPU/GPU side. That Intel system better smoke the AMD or you wouldn't be getting your money's worth!

"Not an 'Intel Fan'" you say? Your post is riddled with bias. End of discussion.
     
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Are you being serious? Why would you not compare systems on the basis of price? Last I checked, when most people shop for things they make decisions for what to buy on the basis of price and what they'll be getting for it. For those that don't have unlimited budgets, price will always take first priority. No, the APU is not a top contender for people on OCN building a high-end gaming PC, but it's a good choice for people on a limited budget who want a computer for casual tasks and a bit of gaming. Who are you to judge what it means to "game for real"? Seriously!
Before your edit, you also mentioned comparing the APU to an Intel quad-core and how it would be smoked by it. On Newegg, Intel's cheapest quad-core is the i5-2300 for $180. Add a comparable GPU and the Intel system is $100 more than AMD, for an increase in price of a mere 71% on the CPU/GPU side. That Intel system better smoke the AMD or you wouldn't be getting your money's worth!
"Not an 'Intel Fan'" you say? Your post is riddled with bias. End of discussion.

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the worst part for llano is the high power consumption when overclocked...
and another positive point for the G620+dGPU is that you can buy some 50$ H61 MB without loosing a lot, and the cheapest ram to...
while with llano this would cause lower graphics performance and maybe lack of OC...

so for me personally I think a lower end CPU + discrete graphics would make more sense,
I'm not really doing a lot of rendering and video transcoding, if that was the case I would probably buy something faster (cheap PII X6 from ebay, 960t unlocked or something),
but for some people llano can appeal, graphics are "OK", good enough for some basic gaming, and the CPU part is also OK for anything,
the G620 is a bit slow for rendering/transcoding.
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