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I would try raising the Dram voltage as mentioned. If 1.5v is stock than try a small bump. It might take a couple small bumps before you see a difference in failure time. I find anywhere from .05 to .1 additional voltage usually does the job. I'm very surprised how fortunate you've been to be able and stay at stock Dram voltage at 4.3. Nice!
Don't be afraid to use a little trial and error to break down the wall when it comes around. I have found my setup does require this additional voltage with most anything other than stock settings all the way around. I usually try a little dram voltage first, if there's no improvement after a reasonable increase than I go for CPU/NB voltage increase. Most recently I've learned a boost to the HT and NB voltages made a nice change in instability, but that was with the Ref Clock pushing 320MHz.
As mentioned above, if you're currently running stock Dram voltage try raising that first. I just received a set Ripjaw X 2x4GB 17000 (2133MHz) 9-11-9-28-1T which is rated at 1.65v dram voltage. As soon as I apply even a 4139MHz CPU OC I have to run it at 1.75v. It'll take even more when I get time to start tightening these bad boys. The Dram setup listed in my sig runs at 1.68v and it's rated at 1.35v stock. Edit: Updated Dram specs 3-2-12. It use to read GSkill Eco's 2 x 2GB running at 1704MHz 6-8-6-20-24-1T with 1.68v.
It's also very possible it'll take a little of both yes. You can test OC'd ram with LinX (25-50 runs on maximum) and SuperPi using the 32M setting prior to running Prime95. It'll help save some testing time. Let me know how you make out!
Both of you feel free to PM me if I happen to miss a post on here.

Sorry it has taken be so long to post back, I have been busy these past couple days.

So I went ahead and upped the ram voltage to 1.55v, primed, and got another rounding error, on a different core this time. So I upped the CPU/NB voltage to 1.37 from 1.35 and still got a rounding error.

I then moved the ram voltage to 1.6v, primed, and instead of getting a rounding error, I got a BSOD. Am I getting further off target? What do you suggest?


EDIT: Just for clarification, my ram is not OC'd it is at stock timings and speed, besides messing with the voltage.
Edited by xstarscream - 3/3/12 at 9:11am
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It would seem your on track, just have a little more to do yet is all.

While the Dram and CPU/NB voltage correct a worker has failed error, BSOD are a lack of Vcore. As you open/correct one area doesn't it make sense that that might load another area? I think this is what your currently seeing. No worry's, it's normal.
Keep testing and follow the two rules.
BSOD is usually a lack of Vcore
A "Worker Has Failed" error is usually either Dram or CPU/NB voltage.

This should get you to a stable 4.0GHz. Much higher and it might require some additional NB voltage and/or HT voltage depending on the Ref Clock setting you're using. OCing is sometimes a lot of trial and error, but so far you seem on track.

Once again my Ripjaw X 2133MHz rated at 1.65v stock requires 1.75v with stock timings and a slight OC even thou I run them at 2006MHz. I've also noticed that Gigabyte mobos do use slightly more Vcore, CPU/NB etc than say my Crosshair IV.
 
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It would seem your on track, just have a little more to do yet is all.
While the Dram and CPU/NB voltage correct a worker has failed error, BSOD are a lack of Vcore. As you open/correct one area doesn't it make sense that that might load another area? I think this is what your currently seeing. No worry's, it's normal.
Keep testing and follow the two rules.
BSOD is usually a lack of Vcore
A "Worker Has Failed" error is usually either Dram or CPU/NB voltage.
This should get you to a stable 4.0GHz. Much higher and it might require some additional NB voltage and/or HT voltage depending on the Ref Clock setting you're using. OCing is sometimes a lot of trial and error, but so far you seem on track.
Once again my Ripjaw X 2133MHz rated at 1.65v stock requires 1.75v with stock timings and a slight OC even thou I run them at 2006MHz. I've also noticed that Gigabyte mobos do use slightly more Vcore, CPU/NB etc than say my Crosshair IV.

Alright, I'll try some more vcore out and see where I get. It is just weird to me that it blue screened so early this time (I lasted a longer with the voltages we were starting out with), you think this may be due to opening up more areas is putting more stress on the CPU? (Which makes sense)
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Exactly thumb.gif More throughput is more load. You'll see this again if and when you start to tighten Ram timings and even when raising the NB freq.
 
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Exactly thumb.gif More throughput is more load. You'll see this again if and when you start to tighten Ram timings and even when raising the NB freq.

I may have found a stable point. My computer has been folding fine for a couple hours (it wouldnt fold at all with previous settings), ill do a little more stress testing to confirm and post back.
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If at any point you feel the need for a little more Vcore, instead try a slight bump to the actual NB voltage. If this is currently on auto you might be better off to switch it to manual and make an increase over whatever it reads now. I didn't have the need till 4139MHz using the x17 multiplier and 250 Ref Clock but always had it manually entered.

Here is how my 4139 is running under load in it's 6th hour of prime95 Blend with a small tweak to the NB voltage. Already passes 10runs of ITB on maximum and 20 runs of LinX

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So I think I have hit a pretty stable clock.

I am at 4Ghz with the Ref Clock at 250. Vcore at 1.47v, Ram at 1.6v, CPU/NB at 1.35v and NB at 1.11v (I think, if I remember right)

It primed for 12 hours and will fold all day. The only thing I have done to get it to crash is to fold on one of my gpu's and cpu, and game on my other gpu. It will handle this fine for awhile, but crash randomly. Sometimes it being a blue screen, or graphical freeze. I can not replicate this crash with priming or folding though, and I can use my computer normally (like web browsing) just fine while folding.
Any suggestions from here ha? Is this where Intel starts to pull ahead, or is this still probably related to my OC.
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I'd say it's your OC. There's a lot of stressing you haven't seen yet when you get up to the twentieth hour in Prime95. I don't mean to sound like a broken record but I'm one of those types that runs Prime95 a minimum of 24 hrs lol. This morning at 4:45am I finished a 28 hour run on my latest setup in rig sig. Next I'll be running longer runs of LinX, IntelBurn and Memtest86. Testing is a large part of OCing. If you're still getting BSOD than you already know what needs to be done right? I do understand those that game only and that they usually don't need total stability to have fun, but I'm into a lot of data storage etc so stability is always number one in my book. Besides, a bad OC can easily corrupt Windows and if re-imaging isn't one of your favorite things to do than... there's not much left to say lol. It's always your call. Just depends what you want out of your setup.

By the way, hows that Frio holding up when you fold and game at the same time? Could it be temps?
 
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I'd say it's your OC. There's a lot of stressing you haven't seen yet when you get up to the twentieth hour in Prime95. I don't mean to sound like a broken record but I'm one of those types that runs Prime95 a minimum of 24 hrs lol. This morning at 4:45am I finished a 28 hour run on my latest setup in rig sig. Next I'll be running longer runs of LinX, IntelBurn and Memtest86. Testing is a large part of OCing. If you're still getting BSOD than you already know what needs to be done right? I do understand those that game only and that they usually don't need total stability to have fun, but I'm into a lot of data storage etc so stability is always number one in my book. Besides, a bad OC can easily corrupt Windows and if re-imaging isn't one of your favorite things to do than... there's not much left to say lol. It's always your call. Just depends what you want out of your setup.
By the way, hows that Frio holding up when you fold and game at the same time? Could it be temps?

I am defiantly going to keep testing. This is the only computer I have at the moment, so it is hard for me to do 24+ hour tests on it due to my needs of it. I plan to fold as much as I can so stability will be big to me as well.

It could be the temps? I usually don't break 55c while gaming and folding at the same time, and this is with only one fan on the Frio currently.

EDIT: I have been looking at the closed loop water systems from Antec and Corsair, but from charts I have seen from frostytech show my Frio hanging in with those closed loops, maybe minus the H80, H100. I know water cooling would be the better of the two, but I cannot afford that while in college and I'm saving my watercooling project for a major build when I get into some more money.
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I hear what your saying believe me. This is what I run http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12222/ex-wat-162/XSPC_Rasa_750_RS360_Universal_CPU_Triple_Radiator_Water_Cooling_Kit_w_Free_Kill_Coil.html?tl=g30c321s1310

One of these and all your temp issues will just disappear. Nice fact is you can add onto this system as you go if you want to add GPU/s later on. Save yourself the headache/$$$ and skip the closed loop lol. For the money spent you'd be better off with what you have and a P/P setup. Maybe some Scythe Gentle Typhoon AP-15's for now, and when the time comes to get wet you'll already have a pair of really nice fans for the radiator. Just a thought.
 
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