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Long story short, I'm graduating from college very shortly, and as the final class we are taking, all the people of the graduating class in our degree are teaming up to put together all the knowledge we've gathered over the years and completely design an up-and-coming company's entire network. Our team is on the networking side.

Now before you say this is just a project, no. I take my education extremely seriously, and this is for a REAL company. Now we actually aren't going to go out and buy the parts and everything, but we will deliver all of this to the main man over the company for an idea on where to go for his company.

We have a $200,000 budget, so price is not an issue really. BUT there is absolutely no need for me to go out and get the most expensive parts because of this. I need the best price for performance ratio I can get. Also note this is for a construction company that uses subcontractors for the work itself. So we really don't need like 15 servers since we aren't going to need anywhere near that much.

I'm in charge right now of the hardware section, so I need to list all the components for all the servers we will be building, as well as the workstations. For the routers and APs and switches, don't need to worry about that. I already know what I'm doing there. I just need to figure out what is going in the PCs.

There really isn't a due date for this hardware section as of now, but on Monday, I would atleast like to know all the components that are going to be in the server and workstations.

The only thing I have to go on is I need MORE THAN SUFFICIENT space for AutoCAD projects. Now I'm not sure how much space a saved/final project in AutoCAD takes up, so I dont know how much HDD space I'm going to need, or if I would need to RAID the workstations as well as the server.

So, let's get started! biggrin.gif
Edited by Invisible - 2/29/12 at 3:24pm
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Are all they are doing mainly AutoCAD? Also, about how many workstation/servers are needed?

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The most intense thing the workstations will be doing is AutoCAD. Of course they will be using Word and Excel and other assorted programs for daily use, but nothing along the lines of the amount of time and work that will be dedicated into AutoCAD. All prototypes and designs of the building that is going to be constructed will be done in there, from the inside and out.

And as for the company itself, there are only 5 or 6 people involved (NOT including the subcontractors) including a secretary that will not be partaking in the construction of the building, and will not be using AutoCAD. I was thinking a main server, a backup server, and enough workstations for everyone in the main organization chart, and then a few backups.

At this point though, since we are so early in the developmental phase, we don't really know how much workstations and such is needed. At this point, we are only really concerned with what hardware we would be getting. Later down the road we would actually figure out how much we need to purchase.
Edited by Invisible - 2/29/12 at 3:31pm
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Since they are going to be running CAD then Higher end Graphics cards are in order. Since you are looking for the best price to performance ratio then you should not need to get Professional CAD Targeted cards (such as nvidia Quadro or AMD FirePro ect) as their consumer equivalents should be fine (anything with 2+GB of VRAM). I'd Guess that a 3GB 580 or 7970 would handle CAD fairly easily thumb.gif
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to get you started look at for a backup/storage server like a high end synology NAS server..
http://www.synology.com/index.php?lang=default

for your main server have a look at an OEM model from dell, hp or IBM as you will get 24/7support

workstations i would consider SB Xeons or I73930k..

these are something to think about thumb.gif
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This would be the point where I would call up dell and get a business account and one of them 25% coupons.
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Get a Few Dell PowerEdge servers to run your server roles (The number depends on what you need) with RAID 5. Hyperthreaded quad core sandy cpus would be plenty here. Then get a SAN using RAID 6 and hot swap drives in it that will fit your drive space requirements for your file server.

As for general use workstations, just get HP or Dell PCs with i5 2500s in them and 8gb of ram. Trust me, 8gb will go quick, businesses dont replace PCs like we do.

For the marketing departments and the design department, get some i7 2600s and some mid ranged nvidia quadro cards and 8-16gb of ram. No need for a GTX 580, 7970, or a Sandy Bridge E processor. They aren't enthusiasts or Video games/CGI designers.

That should cover the workstation/server side of the hardware. How many people are in this company anyways? And what server roles will your servers need to run?
Edited by UsedPaperclip - 2/29/12 at 3:40pm
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Since they are going to be running CAD then Higher end Graphics cards are in order. Since you are looking for the best price to performance ratio then you should not need to get Professional CAD Targeted cards (such as nvidia Quadro or AMD FirePro ect) as their consumer equivalents should be fine (anything with 2+GB of VRAM). I'd Guess that a 3GB 580 or 7970 would handle CAD fairly easily thumb.gif

That's what I was just debating within myself. We are quite aware that decent GPU power is going to be needed, but we weren't sure of what type of enthusiast level we were going to be targeting for our decision.

I could easily save thousands and thousands, if not tens of thousands of dollars by including the higher end consumer cards of today into the workstations instead of the dedicated CAD cards. Are they any benchmarks comparing render times and other assorted data between top dollar consumer products of today and CAD cards such as the Quadro that we could look at?
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That's what I was just debating within myself. We are quite aware that decent GPU power is going to be needed, but we weren't sure of what type of enthusiast level we were going to be targeting for our decision.
I could easily save thousands and thousands, if not tens of thousands of dollars by including the higher end consumer cards of today into the workstations instead of the dedicated CAD cards. Are they any benchmarks comparing render times and other assorted data between top dollar consumer products of dollar and CAD cards such as the Quadro that we could look at?

Not that i know of. Dedicated CAD Cards generally just have much more VRAM than their consumer counterparts and sometimes use Higher memory Bit-rates but the chips themselves are based on the same designs as the consumer cards
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That's what I was just debating within myself. We are quite aware that decent GPU power is going to be needed, but we weren't sure of what type of enthusiast level we were going to be targeting for our decision.
I could easily save thousands and thousands, if not tens of thousands of dollars by including the higher end consumer cards of today into the workstations instead of the dedicated CAD cards. Are they any benchmarks comparing render times and other assorted data between top dollar consumer products of today and CAD cards such as the Quadro that we could look at?

I edited my post, re-read it. That stuff is unnecessary and its a waste of money. It doesn't work like that in the real world, they are just a construction company. When you guys create a needs assessment for them, you should develop 3 different options.....A high end (expensive) option, A mid range cost effective options like I said, or a cheap budget option and they will choose. Most likely it will be the Cost effective one.
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