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Oh yea stubass. Trust me, VMWare is going to be our friend in this project, haha.

About the GPU, we have decided to go with dedicated CAD cards, and not high end consumer cards such as the 7970 that was discussed earlier. What would be the recommended GPU for our situation? Even though my sig would say otherwise, I do appreciate nVidia GPUs, so we were drifting towards the Quadro. Just not sure how deep we need to empty our pockets.

I haven't looked at NASs that much fellas. I'll go ahead and decide what we are going to choose for that. Can I get some assistance on where I should go and who I should choose for our NAS?
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I though VMWare was going to be your friend biggrin.gif

as i mentioned, have a look at the hig end enterprise Synology NAS servers
http://www.synology.com/index.php?lang=default
http://www.synology.com/products/index.php?lang=enu

they are very reliable and have a range of features with wmware support they are great back/file servers as well thumb.gif
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I see a lot of discussion about the hardware to run AutoCad, but I think your approaching this project the wrong way. I would take the top down approach on this one. For my Capstone project we have to do a similar thing and what we did was start with the routers switches and firewalls then worked down to which type of routing environment we needed. Then we worried about servers and workstations.

The idea that was drilled into our heads through my time in my degree was, workstations and servers change often, however the network remains.That being said I would but a lot of thought into my infrastructure. Also take a good look at what other applications and services need to run on the network. So my question to you is what are you using for your access layer, what are you using for your distro and core? What kind of redundancy are you going to have? Are you supporting wireless clients? Finally, what services are you hosting, a web server, DNS, AD, Exchange, ESXI or ESX. etc?
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I see a lot of discussion about the hardware to run AutoCad, but I think your approaching this project the wrong way. I would take the top down approach on this one. For my Capstone project we have to do a similar thing and what we did was start with the routers switches and firewalls then worked down to which type of routing environment we needed. Then we worried about servers and workstations.
The idea that was drilled into our heads through my time in my degree was, workstations and servers change often, however the network remains.That being said I would but a lot of thought into my infrastructure. Also take a good look at what other applications and services need to run on the network. So my question to you is what are you using for your access layer, what are you using for your distro and core? What kind of redundancy are you going to have? Are you supporting wireless clients? Finally, what services are you hosting, a web server, DNS, AD, Exchange, ESXI or ESX. etc?

Very true, but we just aren't setting up the routers and APs just yet. In about a month, we would start setting it all up in VMWare (our servers and our entire "fake" network will be run in VMWare since we can't really go out and afford all these servers every year this project starts back up), and start setting up policies and all that mumbo jumbo. We are kind of required to do the workstations and servers first biggrin.gif

And again, at the moment right now, we are ONLY concerned with what components we would be getting for the company. At the moment, we would be getting a NAS (still not sure on what size, but I'm thinking a 75TB would be quite sufficient), the main server (web server, DHCP, probably not going to be doing anything with email), and the workstations. Again, we are VERY early in the project. We are completely open to what OS and such we would be using, but more than likely we are going with SUSE along with eDirectory. We will be hosting our own web server
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Just got informed that we need to spend as much as our budget as possible. So pretty much at this point, money is no longer a factor. Get the best you can get for your company. I have decided that for the main workstations (the ones with AutoCAD running most of the time), and the normal workstations (for secretaries and other assorted workers), I would just be picking out the parts on NewEgg since it would be easier.

For the server and NAS though, still haven't decided. I haven't looked much at Dell's website for a server yet though, but a Blade PowerEdge was catching my eye. And a 74TB Synology NAS would probably be sufficient enough.

For the (probably only three) main workstations, here is what I have so far:

Optical
Monitor
CPU
GPU
SSD (for OS and AutoCAD)
HDD
RAM

Undecided on motherboard and PSU. Also need to find a good keyboard/mouse combo for all PCs across the company.
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well for mobos to go with your i7-3960X have a look at these selections
ASUS P9X79 DELUXE LGA 2011
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131799

ASUS Sabertooth X79 LGA 2011 Intel X79
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131801

ASUS Rampage IV Extreme LGA 2011 Intel X79 might be overkill being a ROG
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131802

EVGA X79 Classified 151-SE-E779-KR LGA 2011 Intel X79
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188117

and good to see you looking into a synology NAS thumb.gif
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Very true, but we just aren't setting up the routers and APs just yet. In about a month, we would start setting it all up in VMWare (our servers and our entire "fake" network will be run in VMWare since we can't really go out and afford all these servers every year this project starts back up), and start setting up policies and all that mumbo jumbo. We are kind of required to do the workstations and servers first biggrin.gif
And again, at the moment right now, we are ONLY concerned with what components we would be getting for the company. At the moment, we would be getting a NAS (still not sure on what size, but I'm thinking a 75TB would be quite sufficient), the main server (web server, DHCP, probably not going to be doing anything with email), and the workstations. Again, we are VERY early in the project. We are completely open to what OS and such we would be using, but more than likely we are going with SUSE along with eDirectory. We will be hosting our own web server

While you can have several virtual switches, you can't eliminate the need for physical switches and routers completely. Do you know which model switches and routers you are going to use? Do you know which model AP's your going to use and if you are going heavy weights or light weights? If your going light weights which WLC are you going to use? Also bear in mind that you need to consider the support from VMware. It's crucial you make sure that every piece of hardware is certified by Vmware otherwise you will not be able to receive support from them.

EDIT:

Here is a link for you to start looking at what hardware you can use:
ESXI supported hardware
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What would be the recommended wattage for the main workstations? I really don't see me needed anything over 650w, but I'm not sure how much wattage the 6000 would use. Maybe it uses as much as CF 7970s? I have no idea.

I also need some picking recommendations for the case. I really don't anything with lights, and since I'm not overclocking anything, I don't need anything really with a fan controller, or a 200mn fan on the side. Just a minimalistic mid tower I guess would be sufficient?

For the normal workstations, I can see an i5-2500 with a Z68 board (can just use onboard, no need for a dedicated GPU), and 4GB of RAM would be more than sufficient.
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While you can have several virtual switches, you can't eliminate the need for physical switches and routers completely. Do you know which model switches and routers you are going to use? Do you know which model AP's your going to use and if you are going heavy weights or light weights? If your going light weights which WLC are you going to use? Also bear in mind that you need to consider the support from VMware. It's crucial you make sure that every piece of hardware is certified by Vmware otherwise you will not be able to receive support from them.
EDIT:
Here is a link for you to start looking at what hardware you can use:
ESXI supported hardware

I don't think you fully understand what we are doing in this project. Nothing is physical. At all. Everything is in Packet Tracer and VMWare. None of this project is actually "for real". We already know what routers, switches, firewalls, APs, everything, we already know how we are going to set it up and what we are going to get, and they are the ones that are listed in the latest version of Packet Tracer, which I believe is like 5.3.2 or something like that. We've already thought ahead a good bit so we would be a little ahead of the group, so when the time comes, we already have a rough draft.

Again, everything is physically virtual, if that makes sense. It's all physical hardware, but in a virtual world, and that is Packet Tracer. BUT we still need to know what hardware would go in Packet Tracer just to prepare ourselves for when in the real world, we create the real networks we just created in Packet Tracer.

We just aren't at that step yet. We are about a month away. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be building around that though, but this project just isn't THAT deep.
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What would be the recommended wattage for the main workstations? I really don't see me needed anything over 650w, but I'm not sure how much wattage the 6000 would use. Maybe it uses as much as CF 7970s? I have no idea.
I also need some picking recommendations for the case. I really don't anything with lights, and since I'm not overclocking anything, I don't need anything really with a fan controller, or a 200mn fan on the side. Just a minimalistic mid tower I guess would be sufficient?
For the normal workstations, I can see an i5-2500 with a Z68 board (can just use onboard, no need for a dedicated GPU), and 4GB of RAM would be more than sufficient.

If you are building them yourself, I would go a case like the antic 300. though I cannot express how much better off you are when going with OEM's in a production environment. AFAIK most workstations can get away with a 500 watt or less PSU. That being said I would probably want to get a 750 just to be sure.
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