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I am looking to possibly upgrade to a 120Hz LCD monitor. I currently have a 25.5". I still remember when I first got it how huge it was for me coming from a 19" display. Well I have definitely gotten use to the size and it is pretty good for me. I am looking for a 120Hz monitor that is this size or bigger. This pretty much leaves only the 27" 120Hz monitors. At the moment, Newegg only has three 120HZ 27" monitors. And they are all pretty pricing with the Acer monitor being the cheapest but after looking at the cosmetics and the small stand it comes with, I'm pretty sure it's just another el cheapo product by Acer company. The Samsung is definitely the one to go for but it's $699. That's pretty steep.

With all the new specifications to look for in monitors these days, it's becoming pretty hard to find the perfect large screen display. And at this size, it would be really nice to get HD+ resolution like 2560x1440. But there are NO monitors that I have seen with 120Hz refresh rate at that resolution. Probably due to bandwidth restrictions but I thought DisplayPort was supposed to solve that? Oh and what about 8-bit panels, which monitors have those? And IPS panels for good viewing angles but curses, they don't have fast enough response time or refresh rates for gaming! And what about OLED monitors? Oh, I guess I wouldn't hold my breath on that one either...

So, final question: Now that 120Hz is becoming a key feature... where are all the large 120Hz monitors??
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So, final question: Now that 120Hz is becoming a key feature... where are all the large 120Hz monitors??

You've already answered your own question. A resolution greater than 1080p cannot support 120Hz without using a display port.

I'm guessing that no monitor company wants to market a monitor that can only be used with a display port. It would only appeal to a small group of people at this time.

Perhaps they could add the ability to use dual-link dvi and display port with multiple supported resolutions? I believe it would lead to confusion and people would buy it thinking that they could use dual-link dvi to use the monitor at 120Hz with the max resolution. Then when they find out they can't, they would want to return it. I mean have you seen some of the reviews on Newegg? People can't even keep things straight with monitors as they are now (not to mention other things...). Like buying a 23" monitor then complaining because it's not 24"... it's sad.

As for monitor size, 27" will likely be the biggest for 1080p. Even at 27" the dot pitch starts to get a little too large for my taste and anti-aliasing becomes more required to maintain good visual quality in games. Whereas on 23" I can play games with little to no AA which makes it much easier to maintain 120 fps in very demanding games. (this is my opinion, everyone is different)

Which brings me to performance, another reason they likely are in no hurry to put these out. Higher resolution is going to require even more GPU performance than 120Hz on 1080p. My card already struggles with some of the most demanding games out there, and it's the best single GPU solution Nvidia has to offer and it's overclocked by MSI. A game like The Witcher 2 only runs at 50-70 fps on ultra settings (without ubersampling). Skyrim I can run at 80-100 on ultra settings. Jump the resolution up and those same games would require SLI to get over 60fps. Newer games are going to get even more demanding.

I'm sure the monitors will eventually make their way into the market. But I'm guessing it will not be for another couple of GPU generations. If they do make it sooner I will be very surprised.
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Which brings me to performance, another reason they likely are in no hurry to put these out. Higher resolution is going to require even more GPU performance than 120Hz on 1080p. My card already struggles with some of the most demanding games out there, and it's the best single GPU solution Nvidia has to offer and it's overclocked by MSI. A game like The Witcher 2 only runs at 50-70 fps on ultra settings (without ubersampling). Skyrim I can run at 80-100 on ultra settings. Jump the resolution up and those same games would require SLI to get over 60fps. Newer games are going to get even more demanding.

I'm sure the monitors will eventually make their way into the market. But I'm guessing it will not be for another couple of GPU generations. If they do make it sooner I will be very surprised.

Thanks for that bit. Nice to have an honest opinion about when it's possible.
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I'm guessing that no monitor company wants to market a monitor that can only be used with a display port. It would only appeal to a small group of people at this time.

As for monitor size, 27" will likely be the biggest for 1080p. Even at 27" the dot pitch starts to get a little too large for my taste and anti-aliasing becomes more required to maintain good visual quality in games. Whereas on 23" I can play games with little to no AA which makes it much easier to maintain 120 fps in very demanding games. (this is my opinion, everyone is different)

Actually, Samsung's S27A750D only has HDMI and DP and only DP supports 120 Hz, so yes, companies are moving in that direction.

Very much so, AA is VERY obvious to me on my 24" monitor. It also depends on your distance to the monitor though.

But yeah, performance at 2560x1440 is so bad that a 120 Hz monitor would only appeal to minority of extreme users. I saw that they are developing them (IPS, 120 Hz), but TBH, you won't be able to max out a game like BF3 or modded Crysis on a 2560x1440 monitor and get 120 FPS. I think monitor companies aren't making them because the tech isn't really there, it's not profitable to make such a high-res monitor that'll do 120 Hz with the low amount of buyers.

Dave, if you need a monitor now, the S27A750D is exactly the same monitor as the Samsung you linked, except without DVI. Usually a bit cheaper, but apparently not available anywhere.
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I picked up the S27A950D from Fry's and it's rocking my world.

Pros:
1. Fast...think HDD to SSD fast. Mouse feels like it moves before I move it.
2. Big and clear. Makes it MUCH easier to pick out targets in BF3 vs my smaller Dell 2007WFP w/ agressive AG coating.
3. Crystal clear no matter how crazy I shook that mouse.
4. Enemies noticed me 1 to 2 seconds after I started shooting @ them.

Cons:
1. Backlight brightness uniformity sucks.
2. Color's wash when scrolling pages.
3. Backlight's bleeding like it got shot.
4. Stand sucks.

All of the cons refer to Windows and/or watching movies w/ black bars. Games ARE PERFECT. I have absolutely zero complaints about this in games. Also, I'm starting to get used to all the cons in windows, lol. It's amazing the difference this makes in a game. Oh yeah! Portal 2 is slick in 3D! (I'm on Nvidia wo/ Display Port.)

Edit: There's a fella in the Samsung owner's thread that claims to have no backlight issues as well as his buddies. FWIW, my box was beat to crap, but it was last one.
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