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post #1 of 15
2/29/12 at 11:53pm
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Ok my question is not necessarily who has the best performance from these two manufacturers, because largely that depends on which cards you are comparing. What I am curious about is who has the best features. For example who is the best for 3D, 3 monitor gaming, driver stability(especially in SLI/Crossfire, because this is where the most issues crop up), etc. If one or the other is better on a certain feature if you don't mind please explain why. My main focus is on Kepler and the 7950/7970 cards.
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3/1/12 at 12:21am
nVidia is best for 3D.
AMD is generally better for multi-monitor.
nVidia does multi-monitor 3D.
AMD has the capacity to do more displays with less hardware.
nVidia has better drivers and developer support.
AMD is typically priced lower, though they took a weird strategy with the 7970 this time around.

I think that's a fair summary.
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3/1/12 at 12:52am
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nVidia is best for 3D.
AMD is generally better for multi-monitor.
nVidia does multi-monitor 3D.
AMD has the capacity to do more displays with less hardware.
nVidia has better drivers and developer support.
AMD is typically priced lower, though they took a weird strategy with the 7970 this time around.
I think that's a fair summary.

I am guessing they didn't expect for Nvidia to have the performance they have, which is why the 7970 is a little steep. Also they are probably trying to milk them a little before Kepler comes out.

You said that Nvidia can do multi-monitor 3D. Is it actually capable of doing that at a descent frame rate or is that just for box art? Also I always hear that AMD is better for multi-monitor and obviously with one card it is uncontested, but in SLI/Crossfire does it still maintain an advantage? If so why?

Thanks for the response! +rep
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3/1/12 at 1:37am
AMD loses its multi-monitor "advantage" with more than one GPU (feature wise), but generally they still have a leg-up because of how VRAM scales in SLI/Crossfire. With Crossfire, its cumulative. If you have two 2GB GPUs, you have 4GB available in Crossfire. With the same two 2GB GPUs in SLI, you'd still only have 2GB available. Not every title can/will be limited by VRAM, but there are times when it can be an issue. Generally the faster card would still win regardless, but the way it works is still a check on the AMD side.

For 3D surround, I have no idea. 3D itself generally isn't talked about much, and I couldn't even find any real benchmarking being done with 500+ series cards. Personally, I've never even use single monitor 3D. I did however find some reviews which mentions performance with SLI 480's, but who knows how far the technology has matured since these are launch numbers. http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/33709-nvidia-s-3d-vision-surround-game-changing-experience-10.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/3d-vision-surround-stereoscopic-gaming,2672-7.html
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3/1/12 at 1:47am
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AMD loses its multi-monitor "advantage" with more than one GPU (feature wise), but generally they still have a leg-up because of how VRAM scales in SLI/Crossfire. With Crossfire, its cumulative. If you have two 2GB GPUs, you have 4GB available in Crossfire. With the same two 2GB GPUs in SLI, you'd still only have 2GB available. Not every title can/will be limited by VRAM, but there are times when it can be an issue. Generally the faster card would still win regardless, but the way it works is still a check on the AMD side.
For 3D surround, I have no idea. 3D itself generally isn't talked about much, and I couldn't even find any real benchmarking being done with 500+ series cards. Personally, I've never even use single monitor 3D. I did however find some reviews which mentions performance with SLI 480's, but who knows how far the technology has matured since these are launch numbers. http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/33709-nvidia-s-3d-vision-surround-game-changing-experience-10.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/3d-vision-surround-stereoscopic-gaming,2672-7.html

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3/1/12 at 1:52am
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Originally Posted by Celeras View Post

nVidia is best for 3D.
AMD is generally better for multi-monitor.
nVidia does multi-monitor 3D.
AMD has the capacity to do more displays with less hardware.
nVidia has better drivers and developer support.
AMD is typically priced lower, though they took a weird strategy with the 7970 this time around.
I think that's a fair summary.

I pretty much agree with this until it gets to the driver support. I have had more driver issues with Nvidia then AMD. Most AMD driver issues result from newly released cards and crossfire only. With just one AMD card you will probably never have an issue. If you do everything right. And as far as pricing, they are usual both pretty competitive with the exception of the highest end card on the market being over priced. This just depends on who has the fastest card at the time.

Also you get CUDA and PhysX from Nvidia cards. There are only a few times when you may find this necessary, but its there if you need it.And AMD of course generally supports more monitors on one card.

Other then that its all pretty much a card by card comparison, and not much to do with Nvidia or AMD.
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3/1/12 at 2:15am
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AMD loses its multi-monitor "advantage" with more than one GPU (feature wise), but generally they still have a leg-up because of how VRAM scales in SLI/Crossfire. With Crossfire, its cumulative. If you have two 2GB GPUs, you have 4GB available in Crossfire. With the same two 2GB GPUs in SLI, you'd still only have 2GB available. Not every title can/will be limited by VRAM, but there are times when it can be an issue. Generally the faster card would still win regardless, but the way it works is still a check on the AMD side.
For 3D surround, I have no idea. 3D itself generally isn't talked about much, and I couldn't even find any real benchmarking being done with 500+ series cards. Personally, I've never even use single monitor 3D. I did however find some reviews which mentions performance with SLI 480's, but who knows how far the technology has matured since these are launch numbers. http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/33709-nvidia-s-3d-vision-surround-game-changing-experience-10.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/3d-vision-surround-stereoscopic-gaming,2672-7.html

IMO if AMD cumulates video memory in Crossfire this is a huge advantage! Especially in the lower end cards with lesser video memory. I have actually run across an issue with this exact problem with SLI. I have 2 GTX 460s in SLI. Technically I have plenty of power to run Battlefield 3 on Ultra, but because the memory is not cumulative I still can not run Ultra without dips. Now that we have the power to draw for greater distances I personally think the demand for video memory is only going to go up from here. Especially in multiple monitor setups.
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3/1/12 at 2:28am
How can the memory be cumulative if both cards need the same buffer to render output?
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3/1/12 at 2:41am
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nVidia is best for 3D.
AMD is generally better for multi-monitor.
nVidia does multi-monitor 3D.
AMD has the capacity to do more displays with less hardware.
nVidia has better drivers and developer support.
AMD is typically priced lower, though they took a weird strategy with the 7970 this time around.
I think that's a fair summary.

Drivers is not as cut and dry as that. Everyone has different experiences with both.

I've noticed in my years (and even more recently) nVidia tends to throw weird errors and has physics issues. ATI has problems with hard crashes and incomplete support. I wouldn't give one an edge over the other, BOTH have glaring issues, neither are close to perfect.

ATI has had in the past, consistently better image quality in games. Awhile back it was shown that nVidia directly subs out IQ for performance. Unsure if that is still true.

With stock revision cooling, nvidia tends to be quieter and run cooler. ATI tends to run hotter (still within limits). With board-partner revisions, this really isn't an issue.
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3/1/12 at 2:47am
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What!? This is news to me...

Agreed. I'm like 95% sure he is wrong.
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