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They are really becoming a laughing stock. They need to put a gag on their internal employees from saying things like this. It makes them look disingenuous.
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first of all, there is no 6 month gap. The 7970 hasn't even been available for 2 months yet. And kepler is rumored to release in the beginning of April, which would make the gap about 3 months, or a bit more.

The 7000 series was released in late December. Even if Kepler is released in early April as rumored that's still over 4 months. Considering the shortages AMD is having there is no guarantee green team can deliver on time.
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And yeah of course it makes perfect sense from AMDs perspective to price their cards high. It just sucks for the consumer that they don't follow their sweet spot pricing anymore. There usually isn't a huge price hike going from one gen to another like there was with the 7XXX.

It doesn't suck for the consumer - the consumer just needs to grow up. Either pay to play, or wait until the prices drop. It isn't nearly as complicated as people make it seem, and it's no more unfair than the high prices of harddrives due to the floods - just your basic supply and demand. They changed their sweet spot pricing because they've had the performance crown since December 2009 (well the GTX590 tied the 6990 but you get the point). If Nvidia had the crown that long and then released new tech do you think they'd cut you a break?

Just because it's AMD doesn't mean it has to always sell for thrift store prices.
    
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post #53 of 289
How is any of this "reality" not good for us. Vendors aside, one can right now buy card(s) at price / performance targets at all reasonable pricepoints through expensive ones. I'll save making an Excel chart with fake numbers and performance, and leave that to the click farmer sites who love the rumors timed just right to drive us crazy...some of us tongue.gif

When you thinkof it, The entire spread spectrum of performance is arguably full, as in adequate for today(are we satisfied?, never of course lol). Are there gaps? I don't think so, so all this speculation is useless farming, as we gain nothing. We are set TODAY. We'll be set tomorrow....overall....overall.

Does anything change when Kepler arrives...not really, even if the upper end of the scale extends by some margin, the entire scale only moves marginally. That said, Our OCN focus obviously is on the high end, however until a quantum leap in price/performace changes wholesale most of this is moot.

Wow since I became a business exec, i'm talking differently and looking at things with Rose colored glasses.
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It doesn't suck for the consumer - the consumer just needs to grow up. Either pay to play, or wait until the prices drop. It isn't nearly as complicated as people make it seem, and it's no more unfair than the high prices of harddrives due to the floods - just your basic supply and demand. They changed their sweet spot pricing because they've had the performance crown since December 2009 (well the GTX590 tied the 6990 but you get the point). If Nvidia had the crown that long and then released new tech do you think they'd cut you a break?
Just because it's AMD doesn't mean it has to always sell for thrift store prices.
Actually there are few real AMD fans on here. Not being a brainwashed Nvidia sheep doesn't make you an AMD fanboy. A lot of us are interested in new tech but come here only to find more speculation and claims that can't be substantiated - hence the cynicism and disdain.

^ This x 1000

I don't get the mentality that consumers have regarding AMD. It's as if just because it's AMD; it is supposed to be cheap. I didn't hear anyone complain about paying $500+ for the 580s when they came out. No one said a word when EVGA put out the Classified and charged a premium for it. No one complained about paying $700 for the Hydro Copper version. Yes; some people may say that the prices are out of their range, but it was never "Ohhhh... Nvidia has priced them too high"... It's always been "Ohhh... I wish I had the money for that card". So let's just give AMD the same treatment. biggrin.gif

Sure; the cards are expensive, but that's the price you pay for having the latest and greatest.
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Unbeatable?

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This.
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post #56 of 289
Nvidia looks pathetic with their delay tactics and marketing BS. First they were found to be the source for viral marketing at chiphell, and now crap like this.

Nvidia, just put up or shut up. If your cards are so great release them tomorrow or get some verified benchmarks out.
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Originally Posted by rcfc89 View Post

The part of kepler being released is not going to compete with the 7970. That won't be until at least June when the 680 comes out. So then yes the 5-6month lead will be accurate.

No one actually knows what the Kepler cards launching in April are going to compete against. If Nvidia is really going to go with the GTX 670 naming scheme then I'd expect it to come close to the 7970 which would make it a competitor.
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The 7000 series was released in late December. Even if Kepler is released in early April as rumored that's still over 4 months. Considering the shortages AMD is having there is no guarantee green team can deliver on time.

The NDA was lifted in december. Even if AMD wanted to call that a launch it would make no difference, since the cards only became available on the 9th of Jan making that the effective launch date.

Seeing that there have been reports of kepler chips going to AIBs for the cards to be manufactured (chips done and reference PCBs done), Nvidia could also "release" the card and have reviews ready but that wouldn't really be a launch either since you couldn't buy the cards.
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It doesn't suck for the consumer - the consumer just needs to grow up.

I can't believe you just said that higher prices don't suck for the consumer.... How does that even make sense? wth.gif
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Either pay to play, or wait until the prices drop. It isn't nearly as complicated as people make it seem, and it's no more unfair than the high prices of harddrives due to the floods - just your basic supply and demand. They changed their sweet spot pricing because they've had the performance crown since December 2009 (well the GTX590 tied the 6990 but you get the point). If Nvidia had the crown that long and then released new tech do you think they'd cut you a break?
Just because it's AMD doesn't mean it has to always sell for thrift store prices.

Yeah I know that it makes sense from a business standpoint to price their cards high because of relatively low supply/ high demand and pretty much no competition, no question about that.

The thing is that Nvidia and AMD cards aren't really directly comparable like that. The reason Nvidia usually prices higher is that they go with a monolithic die to claim the single GPU crown, even if it comes with the cost of releasing a bit later than their competitor. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the 7970 price has a lot of air in it, but we can't really do anything about it. It just sucks.

Just have to hope that Nvidia doesn't hit any bumps in the road and gets their stuff together well enough to lower prices and brings out a really competitive product.
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Actually there are few real AMD fans on here. Not being a brainwashed Nvidia sheep doesn't make you an AMD fanboy. A lot of us are interested in new tech but come here only to find more speculation and claims that can't be substantiated - hence the cynicism and disdain.

welcome to the rumors and unconfirmed articles section.
 
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nVidia still has their dual gpu card to release yet also... so... yeah.

At the power consumptions they're letting us guess, there's no way on earth it'll pass PCI Express certification.

Unless, that is, they pull a dual GPU configuration out of a non-top range die.
   
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Yea unbeatable high pricing and power consumption.
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Nvidia Italy?

The Fermi PR push was done through FB as well, just not Italy.
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