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Most being very subjective/opinionated.
1. Opinion, no game ever feels real to me. Nor do they feel like a shooting gallery. Both of which I have plenty of real experience with as I've served time in the military as well as do/did competition shooting every once in a while when I have time/money to do so. They feel like a game. Battlefield series feels the same to me. The only games that have felt remotely better have been the Rainbow Six, Socom and Ghost Recon series. Nice to be able to give your team commands instead of them just running off doing scripted stuff. But still, overall not a problem related to CoD. It's more of a problem with the overall majority of FPS games these days.
Overall, any FPS game with a storyline that they stick to is going to be and feel scripted. Can't get around that. Unless they make the game multi-option with multiple different cut-scenes and storylines depending on what you pick. It would make it feel more like you're in control of what happens, but it will still feel scripted to an extent.
2. Opinion, any other FPS that doesn't encourage lone wolf style or camping?
3. Opinion, low skill barrier bad? You mean you're upset because there's another 1000 kids out there as good as you at something. Man, what a shame. Here I thought games where everyone has a relatively equal chance was fun. There's very little 'skill' needed in a lot of games these days, especially in FPS. Very few FPS games these days need an stradegy or tactics. You want that go play an RTS game. But not needing tactics and having a low skill barrier is not just a CoD problem, it's an overall FPS problem.
4. Opinion, not many matches I've played where anyone uses a grenade launcher, lol. Snipers of course are strong, as they are in real life. You get shot with a .50 or even a socom round in the shoulder from just about any range, your arm will be laying on the ground. You get shot with an AK/M4 or just about any other normal caliber weapon, you'll have a hole in your arm, be a little sore, but you'll still trek on. Pretty normal to me.
5. Opinion, and somehwhat false, each year and alternate company/series releases a game. WaW/MW/BlOps all alternated releases. Using the same engine, which is why they'll feel the same. Standard pricing is standard wink.gif. No dedicated servers goes back to it being a CONSOLE PORT.
6. Nothing to do with the game. And if you have a problem with activision then that's your problem. They're still setting record sales each year, must being doing something right wink.gif

1. I am not saying "feels like REAL war", I mean immersion, the game makes me feel like I am inhabiting a world, not watching a semi-interactive cutscene. Were or not scripted gameplay is a "good" isn't my point, it's a very legitimate reason to dislike the game and it objectively does discourage player freedom and agency with narrow linear sequences that can only be played one way. Whether one finds this immersive or not, is of course, opinion, but that was the point I was going for.

2. It's not my opinion that cod games encourage solo player gameplay, it's a deliberate gameplay style chosen by the developers. tf2, bf in general, even counter-strike are far more team focused than CoD. Gameplay design is going to influence this, and anyone who missed that CoD encourages solo player style gameplay, while other games (at least try) to encourage the opposite isn't paying attention.

3. A low skill barrier/ceiling makes for a game with less depth. This isn't my opinion, this why chess is game of complete intellectual strategy and checkers is for 5 year olds. The game becomes more random and less controlled, and player intelligence is negated in the game play, in favor of player reflexes or luck. Not saying this is "bad" in the platonic sense, but it doesn't make for compelling gameplay in the long term, and this is easy demonstrate.

4. Are you serious? You said in 1 that the game is "nothing like real life" and now your saying that "in real life...". I'm pretty sure if you took any size round to the arm, torso, leg etc, you'd be pretty well out of action, even if alive. Instagib weapons create a type of gameplay that is very, very different from games without instagib weapons. Again this is something easily objectively observed and it is also a deliberate gameplay choice on the part of the developers.

5. Are you saying the because the title and setting are different these games are completely different experiences? IGN made a joke about this posting a screen from a cod game and said "I bet you can't tell me which game this is from." While they may have different stories, and somewhat different settings, these games all play EXACTLY the same. Little to nothing has been changed since cod 4, this isn't my opinion, this is a pretty obvious fact.

6. Again, you may not agree, but there are significant and legitimate reasons to dislike, boycott activision. Justin Beiber is selling millions of records every year too, and 10+ years ago n-sync and the backstreet boys also broke sales records. Does that make their products quality?

Nothing I listed was opinion, 1-6 were real observations about the CoD series that can be agreed on by all. The opinion, and I can't believe you missed this, is whether or not you think those are positive or negative features of game. I listed objective reasons why people might subjectively dislike cod. You said my reasons were opinions, which is simply a misunderstanding on your part.
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MW3 >> BF3 >> Black Ops

I won't be buying this game unless it is radically different than the first one. It seems pretty unlikely though.
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Nothing I listed was opinion, 1-6 were real observations about the CoD series that can be agreed on by all. The opinion, and I can't believe you missed this, is whether or not you think those are positive or negative features of game. I listed objective reasons why people might subjectively dislike cod. You said my reasons were opinions, which is simply a misunderstanding on your part.

I'm not the only one who thought your post was opinionated here rolleyes.gif

They are opinion and they're yours. And few have little to do with the game itself as they do the genre/type of game. All or most of those, are problems all across the board when it comes to FPS games. Which pretty much covers 1-4.

As to 5, maybe you missed mine on that point.
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Using the same engine, which is why they'll feel the same.
And as long as it's the same engine being used it's likely to not change much.

6, quality is subjective again, which makes it opinion. If you like n'sync and backstreet boys back then, then it was quality to YOU. If you didn't like it, then it was garbage. Much the way I view Justin Bieber in todays world. I'm not a fan of him, but every 11-15 year old girl in the world praises him. What it comes down to is what the people want, and the people obviously want CoD.
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IF they bring back competitiveness, mods and dedicated servers, then I MIGHT start considering getting it. I agree with many people here that CoD4 was the last decent iteration of the series.
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I'm not the only one who thought your post was opinionated here rolleyes.gif
They are opinion and they're yours. And few have little to do with the game itself as they do the genre/type of game. All or most of those, are problems all across the board when it comes to FPS games. Which pretty much covers 1-4.

You're right, one other person agreed with you, and both of you missed my point entirely. I Iisted a series of reasons why people might not enjoy cod. Someone else might take that same list and use it as reasons they enjoy cod, but the reasons are not my opinion and they are not AT ALL problems found across the genre of fps games. Have you played unreal, quake, arma, bf,css even tf2? The problems are very specific to COD, and are sufficient justification for one not to enjoy that game. Enjoyment is subject, gameplay mechanics are not.
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As to 5, maybe you missed mine on that point.
And as long as it's the same engine being used it's likely to not change much.

CSS, L4D, Tf2, and Vindictus all use the same engine, yet they have almost nothing in common. I am curious why you think this? You don't need to change the game engine to change game mechanics, or even graphics for that matter. The core game mechanics of CoD remain identical year after year.This is a silly statement you have made.
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6, quality is subjective again, which makes it opinion. If you like n'sync and backstreet boys back then, then it was quality to YOU. If you didn't like it, then it was garbage. Much the way I view Justin Bieber in todays world. I'm not a fan of him, but every 11-15 year old girl in the world praises him. What it comes down to is what the people want, and the people obviously want CoD.

Are you saying there are no objective reasons why someone could find fault with activision? NONE? Also you're (edit) 2nd last sentence is making my point for me, that cod isn't objectively bad, but is a game with a lot of reasons to love/hate. I, and many other fall in the latter camp.
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Now you're comparing a war game, with a zombie game, with a fictional shooter game. Of course they aren't going to be the same, even with using the same engine, they're all built to be different. But when you compare the same game using the same engine in the same genre going for the same feel and same relative play, then they're going to feel pretty similar.

CoD isn't trying to remake itself with every game. They want you be able able to play any of there games and know what to do. Why re-invent the wheel when it rolls pretty straight and true. What they're doing is working. The sales numbers show it. People can't get enough of CoD, and more people pick up on every year.

Compared to the numbers, you and 'few' others fall in the hate category. The 'many' is reserved for the other 8-10 million gamers that'll gladly buy it. There's far more people that like it than hate it.

And we can sit here and argue all day, you're speaking from the side of someone who purely hates the CoD series, which means it's useless for me to sit here.

So, I'm going to go ahead and walk down to the base, everyones out flying today.
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And we can sit here and argue all day, you're speaking from the side of someone who purely hates the CoD series, which means it's useless for me to sit here.
So, I'm going to go ahead and walk down to the base, everyones out flying today.

I was seeking to answer the question you asked here:
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Not many valid critisms here though. Most people just seems to say " I Hate that game " , " It sucks " , etc.

I hope I have helped you gain insight as to why a great many people dislike your favorite game. I stand by my list of 6 reasons.
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I was seeking to answer the question you asked here:
I hope I have helped you gain insight as to why a great many people dislike your favorite game.

Not my favorite game, not by a long shot. Nor do I even game much these days. As it's mostly pointless. I play games only so often just to entertain myself to pass time.

And that wasn't a question. Not worded as such, nor does it even have a question mark.
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As much as OCN hates it, the rest of the world loves it. Record sales for each new CoD game, obviously they're doing something right.

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Didn't read.
CoD sucks now. CoD MW was the last good one.
Have fun running around with the trigger held down the entire match.

LOL!

I spat lime green sherbert on my keyboard!
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