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HELP...looking for some professional input here. I am slowly purchasing components for a new pc build. I am not into gaming however, daily i have 6-8+ windows open. In addition I may even listen to AOL music or even watch/download a video clip still with several windows different browsers all open.

So far I have the Intel DZ68BC motherboard LGA1155 (Z68 chipset). I am a little confused with the modern day graphic needs here. This board in itself already has the HDMI / DVI connections on the motherboard. I therefore assume with this chipset to be utilized an Intel i5 or i7 processor will be required WITH the HD2000/3000 as part of that cpu.... some processors have while some do not. I therefore assume WITH graphics in the processor as "seperate" video/graphics card is not needed as all the years before???

What happens if you install a graphics card seperatly with a cpu with the onboard graphisc?
CPU's also come is so many different GHZ's which totally looses me, ie:Frequencies like 2.99GHZ, 3.0GHZ, 3.4GHZ, and so on. Whats best... what does it mean and and how do you select for the best compatability.
I'm just a novice so any input is appreciated. Bill
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for the CPU the I3 2100 is enough but an I5 2500 is a better choice if your using hyper threading then go for the I7 2600 or i7 2700 if you are going to over clock take the K series of those CPUS

If you want you might take an discrete low end card for HD streaming and low end gaming if needed like AMD 6470 or Nvidia GT520 fan less Edition of those cards are a good choice for silent Builds and still the integrated IGPU in the 2nd generation CPUS as listed up are enough for those things

and for the mother board if you still didnt take that mother board i think an H61 or H67 is enough for you build as your not gaming or overclocking and you might add that to be a mATX AKA mini desktops which will be a good HTPC and at the same time a good family PC


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Z68 and all of the CPU's that go in it DO have integrated graphics. These graphics will suit your needs (video playback, aol, internet browsing) so you would not need another graphics card.

If you install a separate one, then you have to disable the onboard graphics in your BIOS.

Frequencies aka clock speeds are the 'speed of your cpu' so higher is better, but then you have to factor in cores, hyper-threading, cache, and architecture.
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I went for the Gold... already purchased the motherboard. Guess I'd rather be over than underkill. Your info helps me a lot....an awful lot. Can you explain to me what Hyper threading and overclocking is? Heard the terms but not really known the definition.
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Hyper threading is a technology that can double the number of instructions a CPU can compute at the same time. It basically creates "virtual cores", this virtual cores have around a 30% of the performance of a true core. This extra computing power will not provide any benefits if the software does not support multithreading (using different cores to process different instructions at the same time). The great majority of games and programs that you run on your computer can only use 1 core, some games use 2 or 3 cores, barely any use 4 or more. This happens because, when programming big applications that use multi threading, things can get really messy for the programmers, and it's quite difficult to write a program that can efficiently use hyperthreading.

Overclocking is bumping the speed (in Hertz) that the processor runs at. The more clocks a processor can do per second, the better performance it will achieve. Final performance relies a lot on the architecture too, though.
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Hyper threading is a technology that can double the number of instructions a CPU can compute at the same time. It basically creates "virtual cores", this virtual cores have around a 30% of the performance of a true core. This extra computing power will not provide any benefits if the software does not support multithreading (using different cores to process different instructions at the same time). The great majority of games and programs that you run on your computer can only use 1 core, some games use 2 or 3 cores, barely any use 4 or more. This happens because, when programming big applications that use multi threading, things can get really messy for the programmers, and it's quite difficult to write a program that can efficiently use hyperthreading.
Overclocking is bumping the speed (in Hertz) that the processor runs at. The more clocks a processor can do per second, the better performance it will achieve. Final performance relies a lot on the architecture too, though.

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Thanks.... so a processor as I see with a K on the end potentially has the capability to overclock and/or exceed it's listed GHZ freguency. Hummmm, I see that as a plus. NOW, how about the standard cooling fans that come with intel.... are that ok in satisfactory cooling being as overclocking can heat one up?
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Thanks.... so a processor as I see with a K on the end potentially has the capability to overclock and/or exceed it's listed GHZ freguency. Hummmm, I see that as a plus. NOW, how about the standard cooling fans that come with intel.... are that ok in satisfactory cooling being as overclocking can heat one up?

the fans are enough for you, and for overclocking its not as easy as its sound if you add more hertz than it can handle you may burn you CPU and each CPU over clock in its way

Example: if i had an I7 2700k and you had I7 2700k too and i over clocked mine to 4.6 your chip may or may not reach that number its a matter of luck
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Thanks....I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge, it really helps me better grasp the newer technology.
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Thanks....I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge, it really helps me better grasp the newer technology.

Any time biggrin.gif ask what ever you want when ever you want and we sure will try to help you
     
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