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Thanks.... so a processor as I see with a K on the end potentially has the capability to overclock and/or exceed it's listed GHZ freguency. Hummmm, I see that as a plus. NOW, how about the standard cooling fans that come with intel.... are that ok in satisfactory cooling being as overclocking can heat one up?

Look at overclocking like this: with a little bit of practice and skill, you can get hundreds of dollars of extra performance out of your CPU. The "K" processor will gives you options if you decide in the future you need more power. biggrin.gif

The cooler that comes with the processor is fine for everyday use, and "light" overclocking.

Aftermarket coolers allow for extreme overclocking, and decrease the "stress" of very intensive work loads on your processor.

To give you a more specific example: A 3.2 Ghz I5 can be overclocked to around 4.0-ish GHz with the stock heatsink. Once you start getting into the 4+ GHz range, you start needing something aftermarket to keep the processor at safe temperatures...but this is a really general example.

I understand your slowly building a new PC. If you list all the parts you have, and all the parts you need, we can provide some helpful critique. (only if you want) thumb.gif
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Thanks.... so a processor as I see with a K on the end potentially has the capability to overclock and/or exceed it's listed GHZ freguency. Hummmm, I see that as a plus. NOW, how about the standard cooling fans that come with intel.... are that ok in satisfactory cooling being as overclocking can heat one up?

That is a very good question. For your use, the cooling fan that comes with the processor will be enough. If, sometime later you want to overclock a lot (increase the GHz), it would be worth buying a better cooler. [Since this is overclock.net, we can help you with all the overclocking stuff too!]
As was already mentioned, most things you can do on a computer do not benefit from hyperthreading - that is the only difference between the Core i5-2500k (no hyperthreading), and the Core i7-2600k (hyperthreading). Since most of us here really like overclocking, I do recommend the "k" versions. If you have a MicroCenter store in your area, you can get really great deals on those processors wink.gif
So, I recommend the i5-2500k. It includes the Intel HD 3000 graphics (when used with the motherboard that you have), which will work quite nicely for you. If you want to learn more about dedicated graphics cards for things like gaming, head over to the amd/ati and nvidia sections.
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Thanks.... so a processor as I see with a K on the end potentially has the capability to overclock and/or exceed it's listed GHZ freguency.

Well AMD use "Black Edition" on their CPUs that can be overclocked, but seeing as you posted this in the Intel section yeah any (Sandy Bridge) CPU with a K at the end of the numbers can be overclocked. I think the ones with X can be overclocked as well but you will have to spend at least $1500 on a build with an X CPU, especially seeing as the i7 3960X is $1000 on it's own.
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Thanks.... I really appreciate the advise to consider. So far I have the purchased the following:
Intel DZ68BC motherboard (socket 1155)
Crucial 8GB memory (2x 4gb - DDR3)
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Plan on getting the i5 2500K 3.3 ghz

I
am not into gaming.... just typically have a lot of windows open and I do a lot of multi tasking, play music, stream line videos...sometimes burn or watch them and still with multi windows open. When I click, I want quick responce if you know what I mean. However, I may play occasionally play something simple like "Flight Simulator" or Jane's fighter anthonogy.
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Thanks.... yeah the i7x extream is top dog so I have read but, I think only on a Lawyers salary are the ones likely to purchase it opposed to me, just a middle class guy.
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Thanks.... I really appreciate the advise to consider. So far I have the purchased the following:
Intel DZ68BC motherboard (socket 1155)
Crucial 8GB memory (2x 4gb - DDR3)
WD 500GB 32MB caviar black hard drive
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Plan on getting the i5 2500K 3.3 ghz
I
am not into gaming.... just typically have a lot of windows open and I do a lot of multi tasking, play music, stream line videos...sometimes burn or watch them and still with multi windows open. When I click, I want quick responce if you know what I mean. However, I may play occasionally play something simple like "Flight Simulator" or Jane's fighter anthonogy.

Not bad. However I will recommend you should get a low end GPU if you don't want to spend that much. Something like a GT 530 or Radeon HD 6570, purely because you will get a much better frame rate and you will be able to run at higher graphics settings in those games. I do think that for what you want a 2500K is overkill. You should consider getting a i3 2100 (3.1GHz which is more than enough for what you need). A modular PSU would also be a good option, I got a non-modular PSU and I am having problems with cable management lol, they do cost slightly more but if you care about how the cables are laid out inside the case (and you can get better airflow for better cooling) then get a modular PSU. Other than that, it's a good build.

What case are you planning on getting? The case can make a huge difference in how cool it runs.
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Not bad. However I will recommend you should get a low end GPU if you don't want to spend that much. Something like a GT 530 or Radeon HD 6570, purely because you will get a much better frame rate and you will be able to run at higher graphics settings in those games. I do think that for what you want a 2500K is overkill. You should consider getting a i3 2100 (3.1GHz which is more than enough for what you need). A modular PSU would also be a good option, I got a non-modular PSU and I am having problems with cable management lol, they do cost slightly more but if you care about how the cables are laid out inside the case (and you can get better airflow for better cooling) then get a modular PSU. Other than that, it's a good build.
What case are you planning on getting? The case can make a huge difference in how cool it runs.

He said he wasn't interested in games, so I really don't see the need for even a low end dedicated GPU. Although, since he said he might play Flight Simulator, that could affect the graphics needs.
@Billyboy, what version of Flight Simulator do you have? If you play flight simulator X, a dedicated graphics card like what andrews2547 said might be good.

And, I agree that an i3 2100 would work well too, but you can't overclock that tongue.gif
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Discrete graphics is better..Just about anything is better than "Intel HD Graphics"
even a :thinking.gif: gs 8400
 
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Discrete graphics is better..Just about anything is better than "Intel HD Graphics"
even a :thinking.gif: gs 8400

Agree. But Intel HD graphics have actually gotten to the point where they are more than good enough for everything other than games (and solid modeling and stuff like that). I'm serious, my laptop uses HD 3000 graphics - and it's great. I just don't play games on it lol.
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Z68 and all of the CPU's that go in it DO have integrated graphics.


half of the sandy bridge xeons dont, just for clarification.
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