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Only calculated 4M Pi but have it set at 8-8-5-15 @1.6V <- Upped Voltage cause it failed 8M test earlier. I'm a n00b on ram so if Imdoinitwrong.png give me a heads up.
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d00d..set nb voltage to 1.26 ..and fuggetaboutit

1.35v IS overkill, but I like overkill, as is the best way to eliminate it from the list of suspects.
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Ok, this is my ram at 1.6V at the tightest timings I can get at 1333.

So now, while I'm overclocking, do I keep these timings or do I loosen them? If I loosen them, how do I know what a good setting for "loose" would be that's stable? Essentially, what do I do with the ram? How were my timings "wonky"? And wouldn't they be optimal if set at the stock 9-9-9-24 for stability?

Some people have said to leave the NB frequency at 2000, others have said to get it overclocked at the settings I would want at 4.0, and to get them stable at a base clock speed so I don't have to worry about them later.... it's confusing.
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Ok, this is my ram at 1.6V at the tightest timings I can get at 1333.
So now, while I'm overclocking, do I keep these timings or do I loosen them? If I loosen them, how do I know what a good setting for "loose" would be that's stable? Essentially, what do I do with the ram? How were my timings "wonky"? And wouldn't they be optimal if set at the stock 9-9-9-24 for stability?
Some people have said to leave the NB frequency at 2000, others have said to get it overclocked at the settings I would want at 4.0, and to get them stable at a base clock speed so I don't have to worry about them later.... it's confusing.

one at a time. i guess you leave the ram settings but if you test and get a bsod it might be the ram. i would suggest run memtest86 first for more than an hour. if it pass, then move on to the next step - overclock to 4GHz.

or back to defaults (1333) and move to next step . . .

the NB is set at 2000 and voltage suggested by others ( i read 1.27v . . .can't remember mine).

the CPU/NB may help in instability when set higher when oc. one notch at a time (2400, 2600, 2800). i say 2600 for 4GHz with CPU/NB voltage set at 1.35v.

keep a list of settings in a spreadsheet or something and cross out the ones that did not work. this will keep things simpler.
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Ok. One thing at a time is a little more difficult than one thing at a time. I think it's because I had so many settings outside of (raise multi and voltage herp) in my initial picture that people assumed I shotgunned the settings and hoped for the best. That was and is still my best stable overclock. I didn't just pull all of those settings out of my ass and say look what I can do. I tried to figure things out based on previous knowledge and information I found here. I'm a little frustrated with myself for not figuring out something that is going to be completely obvious once I've finally managed 3.8 or 4.0GHz stable.

My question I guess would be this, since RAM is something I'm least knowledgeable about and I believe it may be the problem:

I have 2x 2G Corsair Vengeance RAM (4G total) that came together. They are rated at 9-9-9-24 @ 1.5V 1600frequency.

If I run a memtest with everything else set to stock speeds, and they pass at 1600 9-9-9-24 @1.5V...

1) Would they still be stable at higher clock speeds assuming I solely used the multiplier to raise the clock speed.

2) What about if I raised the northbridge frequency?

3) If I drop the frequency down to 1333, and keep them at stock 9-9-9-24 @ 1.5V, should I find the tightest timings with everything else at stock, or wait until I get stable at my intended goal of 3.8 or 4.0Ghz?

4) What would be the recommended order of operations to ensure my ram is running stably at higher clock speeds?

My system will boot into windows up until 4.3 by just raising the voltage. It will overclock to 3.6GHz by just raising the multiplier. I am hard pressed to believe that I would need to increase the voltage by 0.1V to get it stable at 3.7GHz. My temperatures are fine even when I solely raised the voltages to settings beyond what I was comfortable with.

Thank you for your time and consideration~rolleyes.gif
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Ok. One thing at a time is a little more difficult than one thing at a time. I think it's because I had so many settings outside of (raise multi and voltage herp) in my initial picture that people assumed I shotgunned the settings and hoped for the best. That was and is still my best stable overclock. I didn't just pull all of those settings out of my ass and say look what I can do. I tried to figure things out based on previous knowledge and information I found here. I'm a little frustrated with myself for not figuring out something that is going to be completely obvious once I've finally managed 3.8 or 4.0GHz stable.
My question I guess would be this, since RAM is something I'm least knowledgeable about and I believe it may be the problem:
I have 2x 2G Corsair Vengeance RAM (4G total) that came together. They are rated at 9-9-9-24 @ 1.5V 1600frequency.
If I run a memtest with everything else set to stock speeds, and they pass at 1600 9-9-9-24 @1.5V...
1) Would they still be stable at higher clock speeds assuming I solely used the multiplier to raise the clock speed.
2) What about if I raised the northbridge frequency?
3) If I drop the frequency down to 1333, and keep them at stock 9-9-9-24 @ 1.5V, should I find the tightest timings with everything else at stock, or wait until I get stable at my intended goal of 3.8 or 4.0Ghz?
4) What would be the recommended order of operations to ensure my ram is running stably at higher clock speeds?
My system will boot into windows up until 4.3 by just raising the voltage. It will overclock to 3.6GHz by just raising the multiplier. I am hard pressed to believe that I would need to increase the voltage by 0.1V to get it stable at 3.7GHz. My temperatures are fine even when I solely raised the voltages to settings beyond what I was comfortable with.
Thank you for your time and consideration~rolleyes.gif


"It will overclock to 3.6GHz by just raising the multiplier. I am hard pressed to believe that I would need to increase the voltage by 0.1V to get it stable at 3.7GHz."
What would you believe,a magic wand? confused.gif


At this point I think's it's safe to say you have a very mediocre chip, nothing you are willing to do is going to increase it's stable clock speeds. Sometimes you get lucky, most times you don't.
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"It will overclock to 3.6GHz by just raising the multiplier. I am hard pressed to believe that I would need to increase the voltage by 0.1V to get it stable at 3.7GHz."
What would you believe,a magic wand? confused.gif
At this point I think's it's safe to say you have a very mediocre chip, nothing you are willing to do is going to increase it's stable clock speeds. Sometimes you get lucky, most times you don't.

Fair enough. May I ask to see a 10 run IBT on maximum on your machine at your overclocks?
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Fair enough. May I ask to see a 10 run IBT on maximum on your machine at your overclocks?

Have not run it much,but the best I came up with in a day or so was this
http://www.overclock.net/t/1180231/best-air-cooler-for-different-price-points-thread/40_20#post_16102839


480
700

^that's CoreTemp with +10c offset
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Ok. One thing at a time is a little more difficult than one thing at a time. I think it's because I had so many settings outside of (raise multi and voltage herp) in my initial picture that people assumed I shotgunned the settings and hoped for the best. That was and is still my best stable overclock. I didn't just pull all of those settings out of my ass and say look what I can do. I tried to figure things out based on previous knowledge and information I found here. I'm a little frustrated with myself for not figuring out something that is going to be completely obvious once I've finally managed 3.8 or 4.0GHz stable.
My question I guess would be this, since RAM is something I'm least knowledgeable about and I believe it may be the problem:
I have 2x 2G Corsair Vengeance RAM (4G total) that came together. They are rated at 9-9-9-24 @ 1.5V 1600frequency.
If I run a memtest with everything else set to stock speeds, and they pass at 1600 9-9-9-24 @1.5V...
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1) Would they still be stable at higher clock speeds assuming I solely used the multiplier to raise the clock speed.
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No. In some systems, the RAM requires additional voltage to maintain a CPU overclock. Remember, the faster it goes, the more information travels between the CPU, Cache and RAM. One or more components might need additional voltage to maintain a strong, steady signal. Else it BSODs or causes file corruption.
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2) What about if I raised the northbridge frequency?
Same as 1. By increasing the NB frequency, you're overclocking the L3 cache. Information can now pass out of it much faster, and as such, might require additional voltage to stabilize other components. Almost always, it's DRAM voltage.
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3) If I drop the frequency down to 1333, and keep them at stock 9-9-9-24 @ 1.5V, should I find the tightest timings with everything else at stock, or wait until I get stable at my intended goal of 3.8 or 4.0Ghz?
Dropping the memory down to 1333 would be a good idea while attempting to overclock. This will almost assuredly rule out memory as an issue further down the line. You can increase it back to 1600 when you hit the wall on the CPU.
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4) What would be the recommended order of operations to ensure my ram is running stably at higher clock speeds?
If it passes a Small or Large In-place FFT, but fails a blend or IBT, then it's RAM. That's the best way to isolate the component. If it fails Large In-place, but passes Small, it's IMC, usually.
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My system will boot into windows up until 4.3 by just raising the voltage. It will overclock to 3.6GHz by just raising the multiplier. I am hard pressed to believe that I would need to increase the voltage by 0.1V to get it stable at 3.7GHz. My temperatures are fine even when I solely raised the voltages to settings beyond what I was comfortable with.
Thank you for your time and consideration~rolleyes.gif

Some processor's just don't overclock well. It's like anything else, sometimes you get a good one and sometimes you don't. Unless you know someone with another motherboard or ram to swap components, it's going to be almost impossible to tell.
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