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If I was on the jury I wouldn't vote guilty until the case was made on the charges.

I'm allowed to have an opinion before the case begins. I'm going on the basis that I believe the allegations are true and the prosecution will be able to make their case.

members of the jury deliberate on a verdict based on the validity of the facts presented at trial, not "vote guilty UNTIL the case was made". that's putting the cart before the horse. you would be seen as biased and disqualified to serve on the jury.
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To be a criminal in the US court system you have to be guilty of breaking a law. The persons character matters only to a jury.
The worst scumbags in the world are not criminals until they break a law, no law broken then they are innocent of criminal prosecution.

All Kim has to do is prove that he did not break the laws he is being accused of breaking.
Same with the other side, they need to prove that He broke those laws.

It doesn't matter if anyone likes or dislikes Kim.
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It actually works both ways. If you have a strong opinion of his innocence the Prosecution would disqualify you for the jury based on bias.
Innocent until proven Guilty in the eyes of the law. Why? Because they make the determination as to whether or not you are subject to penalties or not. As an outsider looking in, we get as much information as possible and form an opinion.
This opinion is formed PRIOR to the case. Once the case is heard, a true decision is made with all of the evidence either proven or disproved. At this moment in time, we FORM OUR OPINION.
I don't see what is so hard about all of this. My opinion is he is guilty and your opinion is that he is innocent.
/end tongue.gif

That's right, you can express your OPINION that he's guilty. However, in the eyes of the law, he is innocent.
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of course it works both ways. I brought it up to illustrate that you wouldn't "vote guilty until the case was made" because you wouldn't be allowed to serve on a jury. your opinion is that he's guilty (and yes, you are entitled to your opinion) and my opinion is that institutions pwn a person when it suits their goals and people slurp it up until they choke, forming opinions based on either lies, the act of arresting said "person" itself or nothing at all. I have no real take on the court case. like the rest of you, I haven't seen the facts.
The difference is that I respect your opinion and won't try and get you to adhere to my opinion/belief because unlike a lot of posters here I understand my thoughts are exactly that... an opinion. I also won't call you names and spew hatred at you.
I wholeheartedly disagree with you, but again, differing viewpoints are good.

It's comical because you've deemed him guilty, cuz it's your opinion based on outrageous claims by the FBI since you assert that FBI is never wrong because they would never charge these bloated up charges if he was innocent. You are trolling. The FBI makes mistakes all the time, and this time they are obviously working as the dogs of the MPAA. They shutdown a whole company w/o warning, discussion, disclosure, killed it caput just like that. Talk about an abuse of their authority.
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It's comical because you've deemed him guilty, cuz it's your opinion based on outrageous claims by the FBI since you assert that FBI is never wrong because they would never charge these bloated up charges if he was innocent. You are trolling. The FBI makes mistakes all the time, and this time they are obviously working as the dogs of the MPAA. They shutdown a whole company w/o warning, discussion, disclosure, killed it caput just like that. Talk about an abuse of their authority.

So,

1) who determined the FBI claims are outrageous - I missed that part
2) when did I ever assert the FBI is never wrong - I missed that part
3) FBI makes mistakes all the time - I don't have a report that tells me when they have been wrong or right over their entire existence
4) who has proven that they are working as the dogs of the MPAA - I missed that part too

I am getting ridiculed for having no proof of his guilt, but you just asserted all those points without proof. Did I miss something?
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The difference is that I respect your opinion and won't try and get you to adhere to my opinion/belief because unlike a lot of posters here I understand my thoughts are exactly that... an opinion. I also won't call you names and spew hatred at you.

I wholeheartedly disagree with you, but again, differing viewpoints are good.

I respect your right to have and express your opinions too. Nothing wrong with your opinion. Maybe your method of expression leaves something to be desired. Early on, it seemed as though you were stating your opinions to be fact or predictive of coming prosecution.
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It's comical because you've deemed him guilty, cuz it's your opinion based on outrageous claims by the FBI since you assert that FBI is never wrong because they would never charge these bloated up charges if he was innocent. You are trolling. The FBI makes mistakes all the time, and this time they are obviously working as the dogs of the MPAA. They shutdown a whole company w/o warning, discussion, disclosure, killed it caput just like that. Talk about an abuse of their authority.
So,
1) who determined the FBI claims are outrageous - I missed that part
2) when did I ever assert the FBI is never wrong - I missed that part
3) FBI makes mistakes all the time - I don't have a report that tells me when they have been wrong or right over their entire existence
4) who has proven that they are working as the dogs of the MPAA - I missed that part too
I am getting ridiculed for having no proof on his guilt, but you just asserted all those points without proof. Did I miss something?

No, I'm commenting on your assertion.
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No, I'm commenting on your assertion.

When you get a chance please quote the parts in my posts that assert those 4 points I highlighted above, since I clearly do not believe I ever did.
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I respect your right to have and express your opinions too. Nothing wrong with your opinion. Maybe your method of expression leaves something to be desired. Early on, it seemed as though you were stating your opinions to be fact or predictive of coming prosecution.

biggrin.gif I just don't understand how all these people who are against oppression and believe that Kim is innocent and should stop being abused by the FBI and American Government can turn around and rip someone apart because they disagree with them on something that at this point is clearly opinion based.

Interesting no?
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I am getting ridiculed for having no proof of his guilt, but you just asserted all those points without proof. Did I miss something?

We are fighting vehemently because you asserted that he would be found guilty by no other reasoning than you opinion after viewing an indictment.

No one should ever be considered guilty even by opinion because of an indictment. It leads to people making assumptions and paints the defendant in a negative light. By expressing your opinion you could help in damning him.

Additionally, you never expressed why you wanted him to be found guilty.
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It's comical because you've deemed him guilty, cuz it's your opinion based on outrageous claims by the FBI since you assert that FBI is never wrong because they would never charge these bloated up charges if he was innocent. You are trolling. The FBI makes mistakes all the time, and this time they are obviously working as the dogs of the MPAA. They shutdown a whole company w/o warning, discussion, disclosure, killed it caput just like that. Talk about an abuse of their authority.
So,
1) who determined the FBI claims are outrageous - I missed that part
2) when did I ever assert the FBI is never wrong - I missed that part
3) FBI makes mistakes all the time - I don't have a report that tells me when they have been wrong or right over their entire existence
4) who has proven that they are working as the dogs of the MPAA - I missed that part too
I am getting ridiculed for having no proof of his guilt, but you just asserted all those points without proof. Did I miss something?

You did not miss anything. I also have looked at the "facts", as presented from the indictment, and the "facts", according to Kim as made in his interview and, like you, have the opinion that he should be found guilty. No, what you have "missed" is sharing the opinion of the Kim supporters. I dont speak up much on this forum because I would be "trolling" with an opinion that differs from the majority. However, I like to believe I have the capacity to at least look at the information available publicly and make an informed opinion rather than jump a "me too" bandwagon. Kudos to you, Humafold, for not follwong the pack.
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