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It is unethical to host a web site that facilitates piracy, and that's why the courts are going to sock it to him.
Even if all he does is "List" links to pirated stuff, he is guilty of knowingly aiding & abed-ding criminals.
If the courts want to put the hammer on you, and they obviously want to destroy him, he is already as good as done....
The bottom line is, this guy is going down, he can say what he wants to, it doesn't matter, he's finished.

No, he's protected under the DMCA and privacy laws that outright forbid them to go snooping into peoples accounts. It's that god damn simple. MU took down DMCA requests and even gave content makers unprecidented access to the file lists and allowed them to delete them without a DMCA request. Megaupload went OVER AND ABOVE the requirements of the law.

No judge in the US could rule against him or the company because he is protected by US law.
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and even gave content makers unprecidented access to the file lists and allowed them to delete them

This should be Kim's responsibility. Why should anyone else be responsible for doing this when he is making the money? It's his company. He should be responsible for policing it.
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and even gave content makers unprecidented access to the file lists and allowed them to delete them
This should be Kim's responsibility. Why should anyone else be responsible for doing this when he is making the money? It's his company. He should be responsible for policing it.

The law states other wise... he is not responsible for what users do....
Thats like the FBI taking your ISP down because your neighbor was uploading pirated stuff.

Anyways please US Gov. move to mars or something where you can't bother the rest of the world with your stupid crap all year around.
    
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DMCA -
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It criminalizes production and dissemination of technology, devices, or services intended to circumvent measures (commonly known as digital rights management or DRM) that control access to copyrighted works. It also criminalizes the act of circumventing an access control, whether or not there is actual infringement of copyright itself. In addition, the DMCA heightens the penalties for copyright infringement on the Internet
IMO Kim is guilty of violating the above. I know what the law is and I believe he broke it. The laws of our nation always allow interpretation. I hate the people who come on saying, "you don't know the law... blah blah blah" while thinking they do.
Again, IMO Kim is guilty and I hope they nail him to set a precedent that this won't be tolerated. Playing the game of, "sure illegal things were going on under my companies name, but I'm hands off and therefore have no responsibility," should not be tolerated.
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He's no mopre guilty than YouTube and Google.

No, you clearly do not know the law as nothing he did circumvented DRM (removed or by-passed). HE is protected under the DMCA. Again, you clearly do not know your own law.
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and even gave content makers unprecidented access to the file lists and allowed them to delete them
This should be Kim's responsibility. Why should anyone else be responsible for doing this when he is making the money? It's his company. He should be responsible for policing it.

Because the laws on privacy forbid it. It is not up to Kim to police Megaupload. That's NOT what the DMCA says. Rights holders HAVE to request a takedown. MU can't just go snooping into peoples files. Just like Dropbox can't, Skydrive, etc etc.

You, again, know nothing about the law and didn't read the article.
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DMCA -
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It criminalizes production and dissemination of technology, devices, or services intended to circumvent measures (commonly known as digital rights management or DRM) that control access to copyrighted works. It also criminalizes the act of circumventing an access control, whether or not there is actual infringement of copyright itself. In addition, the DMCA heightens the penalties for copyright infringement on the Internet
IMO Kim is guilty of violating the above. I know what the law is and I believe he broke it. The laws of our nation always allow interpretation. I hate the people who come on saying, "you don't know the law... blah blah blah" while thinking they do.
Again, IMO Kim is guilty and I hope they nail him to set a precedent that this won't be tolerated. Playing the game of, "sure illegal things were going on under my companies name, but I'm hands off and therefore have no responsibility," should not be tolerated.
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dissemination of technology, devices, or services intended to circumvent measures (commonly known as digital rights management or DRM

Explain to me, in what way, did he circumvent DRM? Hosting does NOT circumvent DRM. His website hosted files, that were uploaded by users, which he is not allowed to look at due to privacy laws.

If you own an apartment building, and there are drug deals going on in the parking garage, which you never step foot in because everything in the garage belongs to your tenants, what is your crime?
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and even gave content makers unprecidented access to the file lists and allowed them to delete them
This should be Kim's responsibility. Why should anyone else be responsible for doing this when he is making the money? It's his company. He should be responsible for policing it.

That's right, it's his company, it's his website, they're his servers. But it's not his content.
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dissemination of technology, devices, or services intended to circumvent measures (commonly known as digital rights management or DRM
Explain to me, in what way, did he circumvent DRM? Hosting does NOT circumvent DRM. His website hosted files, that were uploaded by users, which he is not allowed to look at due to privacy laws.
If you own an apartment building, and there are drug deals going on in the parking garage, which you never step foot in because everything in the garage belongs to your tenants, what is your crime?
That's right, it's his company, it's his website, they're his servers. But it's not his content.

+Rep for having more patience than me
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If you own an apartment building, and there are drug deals going on in the parking garage, which you never step foot in because everything in the garage belongs to your tenants, what is your crime?

If you take a look at a lot of law cases in the states you will see that the managers/owners of apartment complexes have been forced to hire security to promote safety in cases where it wasn't provided adequately. It's not a crime you are charged with, but the expense rests on you to correct the problem.

I stand by my interpretation of the law and I am not attempting to get you to agree with me. I really don't care if you do, or if you don't. There seems to be a lot of people in agreement with me and hope that Kim is found guilty. I truly hope he is and precedent is set for the interpretation of DMCA.

By hosting the illegal content and KNOWINGLY allowing it to be transferred over his servers he is in violation. We can pretend all we want he didn't know what was going on. Right. Sure. Back to work...
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I so want him to go to jail and for them to take all his money.

Why? x10 Piracy will never die it will always exist and as Gabe Newell once said. It's a service issue. If the movie and music industry said for 20 - 30 bucks a month We will let you download whatever you like for 1 flat fee. No one would ever say no to that. Imagine being able to have access to a library of infinite entertainment for a flat fee. Hell they do it for your TV why not the internet?
    
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If you own an apartment building, and there are drug deals going on in the parking garage, which you never step foot in because everything in the garage belongs to your tenants, what is your crime?
If you take a look at a lot of law cases in the states you will see that the managers/owners of apartment complexes have been forced to hire security to promote safety in cases where it wasn't provided adequately. It's not a crime you are charged with, but the expense rests on you to correct the problem.
I stand by my interpretation of the law and I am not attempting to get you to agree with me. I really don't care if you do, or if you don't. There seems to be a lot of people in agreement with me and hope that Kim is found guilty. I truly hope he is and precedent is set for the interpretation of DMCA.
By hosting the illegal content and KNOWINGLY allowing it to be transferred over his servers he is in violation. We can pretend all we want he didn't know what was going on. Right. Sure. Back to work...

Not a crime you are charged with? I'm sorry, but did you miss the part where copyright holders had full access to remove content themselves OR COULD REQUEST IT REMOVED BY SUBMITTING AN ONLINE FORM? Kim Dotcom did nothing illegal, and in my opinion, he went above and beyond what the DMCA calls for.

Anyone who disagrees is either ignorant of established law, just wants to Kim Dot suffer, or dislikes their freedom.

EDIT: Also, where do you see that he knowingly allowed copyright infringed content to be transfered over his servers? He's not allowed to look at the content being transferred over his servers. And when it was found, it was removed.

I cannot comprehend why you think he did something wrong when he supported copyright holders left and right when their content was clearly being copied.
Edited by RussianGrimmReaper - 3/2/12 at 8:13am
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