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@ steelbom Nice job trying to put words in my mouth. You said that WEIGHT was an issue for Windows 8. DID YOU EVEN KNOW THAT THE OS IS JUST SOFTWARE?! IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WEIGHT.1. How do you know this will have terrible battery life?2. Apps can easily scale just like your desktop window. Do you even know why we still have websites designed for 1024x768?3. Where is the poor performance? The thing is faster then the iOS on everything due to being able to support MUCH better hardware and software.Seriously, stop mkaing stuff up.
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Wow, you've had a majoring reading fail. Read what I wrote again:
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Let's put aside the full blown desktop OS on a slate issue for a minute, you've got the Tegra 3 Prime running ICS for $499, will the Windows 8 slate be similarly priced or more expensive? Will it have similar battery life or significantly less? Will it be lighter or heavier? I think we all know the answer to those questions, and it's not the right answer.

That aside...

1) It's going to have terrible battery life because Windows supports full multi-tasking, and it's a desktop OS. It's no where near as power efficient as a mobile OS like Android or iOS.
2) Okay. And yes, I do know why.
3) Both iOS and Android are lightweight OSes and the dual-core or quad-core processors powering these OSes are more than enough to provide an incredibly snappy, smooth experience. Windows on the other hand, is a heavyweight OS, and it's going to be powered either by quad-core ARM processors, or some dual-core low power Intel processor -- and it's just not going to be enough in my opinion.
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SPOILER ALERT: WINDOWS 8 IS BETTER THAN iOS
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Call me crazy, but i absolutely love Windows 8 as a Tablet idea. For Desktop I haven't made up my mind yet, I will have to wait until final product to see.
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Call me crazy, but i absolutely love Windows 8 as a Tablet idea. For Desktop I haven't made up my mind yet, I will have to wait until final product to see.

Same I want something more full-bodied than a phone OS. Though android keeps getting closer.

As far as high resolution screens go, it's a nice idea and all but the hardware is just not there for gaming (at least in laptops). So I'll stick with my 1080p screen.
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It doesn't look "crisp" at all... What monitor are you using to view this? I can see jaggies all over that icon. Microsoft Network icon is not a "third" party application...
Anyways, at least you finally, albeit reluctantly, admit that it does nothing but "blow them up". OSX can "magically" make the the low res image higher because it supports the replacement of higher resolution images... Something which Windows, does not. How hard is that to get? It doesn't just resize the image like Windows does.
First off, Windows' Text DPI scaling @ 150% would not support this 4 fold increase in pixel density. Another reason why Hi-DPI isn't supported on Windows.
Second, if you were to take a ruler and measure the distance between UI elements, the distance would not change for your eyes. There would simply be more pixels per square inch... It doesn't get any smaller to the eye.
You keep distorting what I'm saying. I never said anything from Microsoft is third party. At all. I was just referring to the other application. I never even said anything about images being third party. My point was simply that if another application doesn't have a higher-res image, you can't magically pop one into existence. Also, high-DPI doesn't mean 300% DPI, that's completely subjective. Keep in mind as well when Vista and 7 were released there was little reason to add in support for 300% DPI, only 150% made sense, so perhaps Windows 8 will add support to that level. And again, I'm not talking about high-DPI displays themselves, I'm just referring to the OS's ability to scale to it.
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You keep distorting what I'm saying. I never said anything from Microsoft is third party. At all. I was just referring to the other application. I never even said anything about images being third party. My point was simply that if another application doesn't have a higher-res image, you can't magically pop one into existence. Also, high-DPI doesn't mean 300% DPI, that's completely subjective. Keep in mind as well when Vista and 7 were released there was little reason to add in support for 300% DPI, only 150% made sense, so perhaps Windows 8 will add support to that level. And again, I'm not talking about high-DPI displays themselves, I'm just referring to the OS's ability to scale to it.

It can't scale to it... That's the thing you don't seem to get. The only thing Windows can do, is scale text. It doesn't support replacing lower res images with higher resolutions. Win8 doesn't support Hi-DPI either. It's not just a Vista/7 problem. Icons have a limit on the resolution you can use for them in Windows. So of course there won't be any higher res versions of them to use when windows blows everything up...

Did you even read the wording on the Text DPI scaler for Windows? It says, "you can change the size of text and other objects". It's for people with vision problems. Not a Hi-DPI option. This isn't that difficult to understand....
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What is the icon pixel limit for Windows 8?

Win 7 = 256x256 pixels
OSX 10.7 Lion = 1024x1024 pixels

512x512 pixels was the old limit for pre-Lion OSX.

I still think 256x256 will be plenty for even high DPI displays.
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What is the icon pixel limit for Windows 8?
Win 7 = 256x256 pixels
OSX 10.7 Lion = 1024x1024 pixels
512x512 pixels was the old limit for pre-Lion OSX.
I still think 256x256 will be plenty for even high DPI displays.

It's not just icons either. It will use higher resolution fonts and graphics while keeping the same absolute size as existing UI elements. Why would you think low-res images would be fine on a higher res monitor? That defeats the purpose of buying a high res monitor. It seems like these are just excuses for the lack of a feature that support high resolutions. As soon as Windows starts supporting high resolutions, you're not going to be saying that the old way was "plenty".
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It's not just icons either. It will use higher resolution fonts and graphics while keeping the same absolute size as existing UI elements. Why would you think low-res images would be fine on a higher res monitor? That defeats the purpose of buying a high res monitor. It seems like these are just excuses for the lack of a feature that support high resolutions. As soon as Windows starts supporting high resolutions, you're not going to be saying that the old way was "plenty".

Wait, so Windows doesn't support Hi DPI displays? You can't hook a 4k monitor up to windows, RIGHT NOW?

Is anyone sure the OSX is actually increasing the sizes of the files in order to suit hi DPI displays, or do they just want to make icons huge? As in, make an icon look good even if it is taking up nearly an entire display?

It seems to me that it would be more appropriate if it was just Apple wanting to make it so that a single icon can take up a whole screen, you know, for the tards.
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If that is true, then it is PERFECT! smile.gif

Yeah I disagree with the guy in the video at the end (and Steelbom) I would much prefer to be able to get to the desktop at some point or another if I want to. Though for people like him (the video) there should be an option to disable it or make it not crop up so easily. Choice is good!
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