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Well BC for PS4 to play PS3 games will go out the window if that is true.

Also why do people want sandy and ivy in it? It doesn't need it. It isn't going to be running an OS like a PC and the games with be optimized for that hardware set. I bet you if someone took the time to write a program specifically for 6-core BD and then benched it against a 2600k, the BD would smoke the 2600k because the software was made to take full advantage of BD.

Remember, no software on the PC market takes full advantage of the hardware like consoles do. There isn't perfect scaling. do NOT compare PC benchmarks directly to console bench marks. Two different beasts that just happen to have some similarities.

a 2600k on a console will beat a 2600k on a PC. just like how a 7990 on a PC will get handed by a 7990 on a console. Same parts. Different focus in terms of programming.
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While I agree wholeheartedly the 2600k isn't/shouldn't happen, a custom i3 with "HD3000" graphics could make a nice PS4. Especially if it were an IB, since they're (supposedly) concentrating on GPU power this gen.
..That's what my brain says. But my heart says Llano.
Talk about cherry picking benchies...
Try showing something gaming relevant, or at least a fair sample of win/lose/draw and then it will be commendable. Integrity at stake..

I have to disagree. He clearly said that if software actually used Bulldozer's features, It currently is ahead of a 2600K. AMD pretty much designed a new motor with enough torque to handle intel's torque output and more but forgot about horsepower taking off. Unless they completely go ass backwards there should be a even better improvement next time(piledriver).
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not when the software is coded to use it

You can't change all code to take advantage of that type of thing. But yes, when you have fixed hardware like on a console you can take advantage of a CPU very well. To be honest I really don't care much about the performance of the CPU they choose, so long as it is easy to code for. Most games don't need much CPU power to run a game. I imagine whatever is used will be around 4-cores, 8 threads, and equivalent to a $100-$150 CPU that is out today, at the most.
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While I agree wholeheartedly the 2600k isn't/shouldn't happen, a custom i3 with "HD3000" graphics could make a nice PS4. Especially if it were an IB, since they're (supposedly) concentrating on GPU power this gen.
..That's what my brain says. But my heart says Llano.
Talk about cherry picking benchies...
Try showing something gaming relevant, or at least a fair sample of win/lose/draw and then it will be commendable. Integrity at stake..

HD3000 couldn't run the games Sony needs to run. It just couldn't happen. And those benchmarks were chosen to show what BD does when all threads are utilized, which is obviously what Sony would do. Hardly cherry picking.
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While I agree wholeheartedly the 2600k isn't/shouldn't happen, a custom i3 with "HD3000" graphics could make a nice PS4. Especially if it were an IB, since they're (supposedly) concentrating on GPU power this gen.
..That's what my brain says. But my heart says Llano.
Talk about cherry picking benchies...
Try showing something gaming relevant, or at least a fair sample of win/lose/draw and then it will be commendable. Integrity at stake..

The point is that properly coded software shows BD shining. And, guess what, most PC games are one of the following:

1) crap console ports that use two threads
2) crap console ports that are coded terribly in some other way
3) crap console ports that run the same on any modern CPU
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If we see actual coding, to the metal, on BD, it will wipe the floor with I-series CPUs.
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Wouldn't this mean there will most likely be an emulator made quickly? Surely it won't be hard to get games that run natively with x86 on the PS4 to work on the PC.

If it was x86 then would you even need to emulate any hadware anyway?
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FANTASTIC NEWS! easy emulation!!!!

bulldozer may be crap in pc but in a console scenario it would be coded properly. people saying it would suck because it has bulldozer is a big IDIOT

edit:

yeah pursuinginsanity i'm talking ti you
Edited by jprovido - 3/2/12 at 7:04pm
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While I agree wholeheartedly the 2600k isn't/shouldn't happen, a custom i3 with "HD3000" graphics could make a nice PS4. Especially if it were an IB, since they're (supposedly) concentrating on GPU power this gen.
..That's what my brain says. But my heart says Llano.

Talk about cherry picking benchies...
Try showing something gaming relevant, or at least a fair sample of win/lose/draw and then it will be commendable. Integrity at stake..

Find a game with XMA4, XOP and AVX flags set during compilation. His point was to show that BD is faster than SB when its new instruction sets are used. And the i3 with an IGP would be slower than even Llano overall, there's only so much CPU horsepower a console needs (Little overhead from the OS, no APIs, can code directly if necessary)
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The point is that properly coded software shows BD shining. And, guess what, most PC games are one of the following:
1) crap console ports that use two threads
2) crap console ports that are coded terribly in some other way
3) crap console ports that run the same on any modern CPU

..Or they just didn't compile the exe with the AVX, XOP, etc flags set.
Doesn't mean it is crap nor a console port.

All the people saying BD is crap are just like the people saying the P4 was crap when it still had potential, the original Willamette P4 was slower in IPC than every other chip, even the P3 but could clock higher (Sound familiar?) unless SSE2 was used, then it was faster in practically every way compared to the P3. Northwood came out after developers had started using SSE2 and refined the new architecture, and was a damn good chip. (Prescott was the one that put out way too much heat and used way too much power, Intel went too extreme with it)

Nearly every new CPU architecture has needed a refinement before it was really usable...Take the Pentium. Pentium 60 and 66? Motherboards couldn't really do the 60Mhz minimum bus, the CPUs put out a lot of heat, there was the FDIV bug, etc...Then the Pentium 90, etc came out. Much better chips.

Same story with the Pentium Pro vs Pentium II.
    
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FANTASTIC NEWS! easy emulation!!!!

Look at the original Xbox when it comes to emulation. It could be possible in the PS4 if Sony allows it (most likely not for them).
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