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post #31 of 65
I'm still going at it,
but some things are still unclear (and avoid the "limit per customer" is fun).
I currently think I just need mouse, keyboard and speakers.
Also, I've realized a few things have limits.

One other thing-- A modem..?
Does LAN count? or we really need ancient card for compaibility...?
.... Do we have to be compatible with PS/2 ports? or IDE...? headscratch.gif

The use of Shop Runner matters because of this example.

One keyboard is $6, with $6 shipping.
Another is $7, with $3 shipping.
If shop Runner is applied, the $6 keyboard is $1 cheaper.
Without Shop Runner, the $7 keyboard comes out cheaper.

EDIT: and no combos, right?
Can a case still come with a PSU built in?
Edited by Rezard - 3/4/12 at 12:25pm
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post #32 of 65
People's it is possible to do, but you need to avoid RETAIL purchasing, and it needs to be done in bulk.

Here in Australia I (being a company) can purchase through a distributor Altech this is what is needed, but at the end of the day there is so little profit it is not worth it, unless a client is asking for 3-5 systems at least.
post #33 of 65
It is possible if you give little regard for performance. lol
But having to avoid combos, and certain deals, does make it a PITA.

I'm considering it a $350 budget since Windows 7 is a given.
Here's what I got. smile.gif

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811148044
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186189
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103888
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148899
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313102
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151252
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009350
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823201028
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826664021
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836205006


That's $291.90 before shipping.
Shipping is $26.75 without Shop Runner for me.
With Shop Runner, it would only be $7.99 shipping (and quicker).

Shop Runner keeps the total just under $300,
so the recertified HDD could be replaced with a new one,
and the total would still be about $350 (or $450 with Windows 7).
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post #34 of 65
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Originally Posted by Rezard View Post

I'm still going at it,
but some things are still unclear (and avoid the "limit per customer" is fun).
I currently think I just need mouse, keyboard and speakers.
Also, I've realized a few things have limits.
One other thing-- A modem..?
Does LAN count? or we really need ancient card for compaibility...?
.... Do we have to be compatible with PS/2 ports? or IDE...? headscratch.gif
The use of Shop Runner matters because of this example.
One keyboard is $6, with $6 shipping.
Another is $7, with $3 shipping.
If shop Runner is applied, the $6 keyboard is $1 cheaper.
Without Shop Runner, the $7 keyboard comes out cheaper.
EDIT: and no combos, right?
Can a case still come with a PSU built in?

I was going to ask about the modem. How many computers can you buy retail now that still have 56K modems? I looked briefly on the Dell and HP sites and couldn't actually find a model which still comes with a 56K modem.

I would go back to your teacher with a counter proposal. Ask him to go on a manufacturers site and configure a computer which meets those requirements. Ignoring the modem and looking on HP and Dell, I was only able to do it once and that came out to $426.97 not including shipping or tax.
    
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post #35 of 65
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It is possible if you give little regard for performance. lol
But having to avoid combos, and certain deals, does make it a PITA.
I'm considering it a $350 budget since Windows 7 is a given.
Here's what I got. smile.gif
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811148044
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186189
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103888
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148899
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313102
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151252
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009350
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823201028
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826664021
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836205006
That's $291.90 before shipping.
Shipping is $26.75 without Shop Runner for me.
With Shop Runner, it would only be $7.99 shipping (and quicker).
Shop Runner keeps the total just under $300,
so the recertified HDD could be replaced with a new one,
and the total would still be about $350 (or $450 with Windows 7).

And your build cost is $??????
Don't forget all your other over heads which need covering as well. rolleyes.gif
post #36 of 65
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And your build cost is $??????
Don't forget all your other over heads which need covering as well. rolleyes.gif

Labor?

Right- That's the point I was getting at earlier.
This is hardly feasible, mostly for the sake of restrictions.

If the recerified HDD is allowed,
Shop Runner is allowed,
and the on-board LAN is allowed in place of dial-up...

There's $50 to be made.
The typical hourly rate (in PC service) is like $60/hr.

Sure- It's not as great,
but a living could be made. by an individual.
Providing the quantity is there... smile.gif
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IT might be best to buy one of these http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=TS-2P-AMD1011-PB-R&cat=SYS and by Windows 7 and another 2 gigs of ram or buy his http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=DC7800CMT-C2D233-R&cat=SYS and change the cas and upgrade the ram with the same one i showed you
edit*** with Hard drive prices this high it is omost impossible


Buying barebones systems is not allowed for this assignment. The point is for everyone to learn how to pick out computer components that are compatible with each other to make a decent build. I think I am going to tell the instructor that it is impossible since I've spent hours and hours trying to build a PC for under $450 and can't do it, and I've been doing this kind of thing for a decade or longer now. I think I should recommend the maximum build cost to be increased to $550. Then, we could build a decent dual-core, 4GB+ RAM, full working rig with room for profit. I can build a rig that meets the criteria for around $480, so even $500 sale price would leave very little room for profit.
   
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post #38 of 65
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Originally Posted by Rezard View Post

I'm still going at it,
but some things are still unclear (and avoid the "limit per customer" is fun).
I currently think I just need mouse, keyboard and speakers.
Also, I've realized a few things have limits.
One other thing-- A modem..?
Does LAN count? or we really need ancient card for compaibility...?
.... Do we have to be compatible with PS/2 ports? or IDE...? headscratch.gif
The use of Shop Runner matters because of this example.
One keyboard is $6, with $6 shipping.
Another is $7, with $3 shipping.
If shop Runner is applied, the $6 keyboard is $1 cheaper.
Without Shop Runner, the $7 keyboard comes out cheaper.
EDIT: and no combos, right?
Can a case still come with a PSU built in?

Don't ask me why but yes the PC has to have a Dial-Up modem in it.
Doesn't have to have PS/2 ports or parallel IDE.---needs to be as modern as possible with the given budget constraints.
No barebones which include almost everything together--cases with included PSU and motherboard/CPU combos are okay.
   
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So-- Is this teacher just trying to teach you a lesson? (ironic, huh?)
I'm not quite sure this is at all possible.
Can you use refurbished HDDs?
There is no "limit per customer" on it.
If not, then it's like $70+ for the cheapest new HDD on Newegg,
Windows 7 HP cost you $100 on it's own,
and the cheapest new monitor is $90 (BTW - does it have to be LCD? lol).
That's already put your remaining budget at $190.
.... Do you see what I see? kookoo.gif
The shipping is another thing;
Can Shop Runner be used?
It sounds like this is leading toward bulk purchases,
and $80 a year would be a great investment.
You're fighting a losing battle.
There is no way you can rightfully compete with what buying in bulk gets you,
as the competition has done.
One complete computer, meeting all that criteria, for $450....
Good luck with that , and especially with your "profit".
Make it 10,000 computers on a 4.5 million dollar budget,
and now you're "in business". thumb.gif

Yes, I can use refurbished HDDs.
Monitor should probably be LCD and to save the cost of buying speakers should probably have built-in speakers.
Any retailer can be used...just ebay cannot.

I'm thinking that my instructor didn't do his research before creating this assignment because unless you were to buy all these parts in bulk from wholesalers at greatly discounted costs per unit, it just can't be done. I have a pretty strong feeling that he is going to modify this assignment after I have a talk with him.


For those above that linked to parts on newegg for a build. The PC has to have at least a dual-core CPU and 4GB RAM.
Edited by Dark Volker - 3/4/12 at 1:56pm
   
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NZXT Sentry 2 Fan Controller Windows 8.1 Pro x64 Samsung B2230HD @ 1920x1080 Gateway RT3604 
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Antec Earthwatts EA-650 Green Cooler Master HAF 932 Logitech G9x Wowpad by Microthin, Graphite surface for optical 
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ADATA 120GB SATA3 SSD Western Digital Scorpio Blue 320GB 5400RPM (WD3... Factory laptop HSF Windows 8.1 Pro x64 
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14.1" LCD Logitech Wireless Mouse M310(Indigo Scroll) 
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Yep.

With all the restrictions,
I'd go back and ask the teacher to prove it can be done. yessir.gif
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Quantum
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First Knight
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MiniMicro
(16 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
A8-3870K @ 3.5Ghz Gigabyte GA-A75-UD4H Radeon HD 6550D Radeon HD 6670 (GDDR5) 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Trident X DDR3 2400 Mushkin Cronos Deluxe Asus Black DVD-RW Xigmatek Gaia (XAF) 
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G.Skill Turbulence II Windows 7 x64 32" LCD TV Rosewill HIVE 550W 
Case
Lian Li PC-K65 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
a4-3400 GAA75M-DS2 Radeon HD 6410D Samsung 30nm 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
OCZ Agility 2 WD Caviar Green DVD-R/W Cooler Master Vortex Plus 
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2x SilenX 60mm Ixtrema SilenX 80mm Red LED Effizio SilenX 80mm Ixtrema Rosewill 90mm PCI slot fan 
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