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so u r sure just simple dvi cable is not enough, only dual link dvi yes?
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Originally Posted by De-Zant View Post

Play with the response time / overdrive settings (forgot what it's called on the samsung models) in the OSD. The "faster" setting is usually considered the best.
Also, is your pixperan running at 60hz or 120hz?
And keep in mind, 120hz displays are generally good. But no LCD is free of ghosting. You will have some of it, always.

NCX of hardforum/wecravegames begs to differ.

http://wecravegamestoo.com/forums/electronics-gadgetry-reviews/10171-samsung-s23a700d-120hz-3d-monitor-review.html
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answer my last post pls someone tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by De-Zant View Post

Play with the response time / overdrive settings (forgot what it's called on the samsung models) in the OSD. The "faster" setting is usually considered the best.
Also, is your pixperan running at 60hz or 120hz?
And keep in mind, 120hz displays are generally good. But no LCD is free of ghosting. You will have some of it, always.

NCX of hardforum/wecravegames begs to differ.

http://wecravegamestoo.com/forums/electronics-gadgetry-reviews/10171-samsung-s23a700d-120hz-3d-monitor-review.html

NCX is a very opinionated, biased user who has some idea of what he is talking about but applies that knowledge ONLY to his own personal preference, disregarding everything else. He also often makes comments that are just plain wrong. He has made some unbiased posts but I've not seen many of them. I could rant on and on about how much of what he says is biased or simply wrong, but this is the wrong place for that.

Therefore, I don't recommend listening to everything he says like it's all cold hard fact. It's not.

In the case of this example, anyone with a proper CRT as well as the samsung models can tell you otherwise. Why don't you ask vega? He has 5 FW900s and had 5 samsung S23a750d's (same panel as 700d), which means he has more point of comparison than NCX. That, in my opinion, as well as his past history, makes him much more reliable as a source. And let's see what he has to say:

Same response I've seen from every single person I've seen with both a good CRT and the samsung models side by side. As well as anyone discussing the subject in more detail. (Another thread here about the same subject: http://www.overclock.net/t/1213187/lcds-leds-just-flat-out-suck-for-gaming/0_50 ) I'm sure that even NCX would probably admit that it has ghosting if you'd ask him if they are completely free of ghosting or not. He made only a slight remark there, which probably is a bit more liberal than a 100% literal interpretation. "A ghosting free experience" is something I would personally not interpret as a literal statement. Latching onto that is not really something I'd recommend.

Also, if we assume he knows absolutely anything about monitors and interpret this 100% literally as you did there, his comment "the 700d is the fastest monitor I've used at 60hz" means he's never used a proper CRT. Which I doubt is correct. Again, it's just him remaining on the topic at hand, and not straying to make comments about CRTs.


@bowflex: Yeah, a dual link DVI is required or you won't be able to set it at 120hz. If you have set it there, it's extremely unlikely that you'd have a single link cable. But you can check from this picture.

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post #15 of 55
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wow thanks for reply ) really great one. Now i am sure i use dl-dvi. xD But i still can't understand why it is so bad. 338 This is screenshot what i get ( made it with prtscreen key so look at image in red circle that's it tongue.gif)
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wow thanks for reply ) really great one. Now i am sure i use dl-dvi. xD But i still can't understand why it is so bad. 338 This is screenshot what i get ( made it with prtscreen key so look at image in red circle that's it tongue.gif)

I'm fairly sure that's not the monitor. Mate, you can't print screen ghosting because print screen just saves one frame from the GPU, not the actual image on your monitor.

I might understand this wrong, as I don't know the test, but if we are talking about ghosting, that's not it.
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there is special key u should press to get normal frame - frame in red circle wasnt made with printscreen. U should download and try if u didn't understand me )
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I'm fairly sure that's not the monitor. Mate, you can't print screen ghosting because print screen just saves one frame from the GPU, not the actual image on your monitor.
I might understand this wrong, as I don't know the test, but if we are talking about ghosting, that's not it.

He's right. The PC has absolutely no way of knowing what the monitor display is showing. It would be like setting the color of the monitor to all black and white using the monitor menu. A screenshot with any software would still create a colored image if that's how it's set in the GPU control panel.

You need to use camera equipment to take pictures of ghosting, or anything that can only be seen on the monitor.
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there is special key u should press to get normal frame - frame in red circle wasnt made with printscreen. U should download and try if u didn't understand me )

Ok, I did. If you read the instructions, it says that you have to change the parameters until that picture taken with "ctrl" matches what you see in the line with the cars moving by. Try reducing s_tempo to minimum and do it again. It's not an actual photo of the ghosting you have, but merely a tool to approximate the ghosting you have.
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just look at this review http://wecravegamestoo.com/forums/gadgetry-electronics-discussion/8220-samsung-s27a950d-review.html
Response time , look at images. (fastest response 120hz) this is such a good one. And then compare with mine frown.gif I want to get it.
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