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We should be grateful DICE has been so supportive for the community.
i guess i am just imagining all the forums and servers and gamers staging a black out because of the lack of support from DICE, clearly it is just me and my small group of friends.
how much does EA pay you?
Nobody is staging a blackout. BattlefieldO wanted to organize a blackout so they could actually receive communication from DICE. What was it, 1? 2 days later? This massive patch list was released, and the blackout was cancelled on the grounds of them getting what they wanted this entire time -- communication.
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Nobody is staging a blackout. BattlefieldO wanted to organize a blackout so they could actually receive communication from DICE. What was it, 1? 2 days later? This massive patch list was released, and the blackout was cancelled on the grounds of them getting what they wanted this entire time -- communication.

right... DICE inspired their customers to have a BLACKOUT to get information, if there had been an adequate amount of support from DICE, the idea of the black out would have never been expressed.
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The reason why ARMA doesn't sell as well as COD and BF3? It's because the majority of people want games like COD and BF3.

Arma doesn't sell well because it is extremely unpolished and hard to get into
Edited by Artev - 3/5/12 at 12:41pm
post #93 of 166
So you're upset that DICE responds to its community and you dont get the correlation with ARMA being hard to get into and the reason why most people prefer games like BF3/COD.

lol do you even know why you're arguing?

You hardly have a point anymore tbh.
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Nobody is staging a blackout. BattlefieldO wanted to organize a blackout so they could actually receive communication from DICE. What was it, 1? 2 days later? This massive patch list was released, and the blackout was cancelled on the grounds of them getting what they wanted this entire time -- communication.
right... DICE inspired their customers to have a BLACKOUT to get information, if there had been an adequate amount of support from DICE, the idea of the black out would have never been expressed.
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The reason why ARMA doesn't sell as well as COD and BF3? It's because the majority of people want games like COD and BF3.
Arma doesn't sell well because it is extremely unpolished and hard to get into

Every game has people that are passionate about it and still want changes to it. The question is, what percentage of BF3 players are passionate about it, and dislike it enough to the point that they will either stop playing it, and/or not purchase the next BF title because of it. Unless that percentage is about 5% or greater, than DICE probably could (and should) not care less. If the majority of players are happy with the game, then why should they care?

Make sure when you answer this question you're being realistic, not idealistic. Realistic is all that matters in the business world. DICE is in business to make games that a majority of their target demographic will enjoy. They will never be able to make the game such that everybody will be happy, so instead the goal becomes to make as many players happy as can profitably be done. At the point where you're losing money trying to improve the game, you've gone too far.
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post #95 of 166
no, I am upset because BF3 isn't very fun, I don't care at all about their communication or lack-there-of. My original post was about how the game is really disappointing and since then I've just been defending my right to have an opinion.

Arma was just a sidenote... not relevant to the main point but the conversation has been derailed (as you pointed out.)

in summary:

I don't care that DICE has or has not been communicating with the community. I care about the game actually being fixed. The people who say the game is great and doesn't need improvement keep dismissing those gamers who purchased the game and aren't happy with it. The EA/DICE defenders are saying no one has an issue with the game, despite the fact that there is a very vocal group of people begging for the game to be fixed and despite the fact that EA/DICE has acknowledged it needs fixed and are addressing it with a major patch with dozens and dozens of tweaks/bug fixes/modifications. That is all I have ever said, I think I have valid points...
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Re-read my post, particularly this part:
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As soon as consoles could start to run those games there were less people that wanted to continue gaming on a more expensive system like a PC.

DICE could still make money doing PC-only games, but it would significantly less than it was in 2004

No wonder you don't understand. There are far more people today gaming on PCs then there were in 2004. Your analogy is so far off from reality.
Take a look at the number of people who gamed on PCs back in 1994 compared to consoles. John Carmack could of made a game for consoles if he was looking to push half-finished games and milk the money. Yet, even then, he didn't. This isn't about dumbing down a game because there's less of a market on PCs then there was in 2004. There's more today then there ever were. Just look at Steam and their continued growth year after year. Entry level computers are so powerful today that even a $500 computer can play BF3.

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You understand that DICE is and always has been a business, yet cant understand the concept of why copy + paste + new skin != sales in modern day gaming?
Not even to mention the fact that they're working with completely different engine with completely different gameplay elements/opportunities that never existed in the old game.
Sure if you're activision and you have a product that breaks sales records every time you sell that copy/pasta, then go for it. If not, good luck.
The reason why ARMA doesn't sell as well as COD and BF3? It's because the majority of people want games like COD and BF3.

You want to explain where anything in BF3 ISN'T a copy and paste from previous Battlefield games? It's just missing a couple copy+pastes to finish it off. The only thing new in BF3 is the updated graphics/physics. If anything, it's a step backwards as far as gameplay is concerned. Trying so hard to be like CoD is exactly what has ruined this series.

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Oh yes.. Totally lazy. Showing this game more attention than any other of their games is such laziness. Oh and they're definitely milking it! They've released one DLC since launch and just announced there may be another one on the way, months after the first was released! Damn DICE! Damn them for spending their time developing extra content for us! Damn them for wanting us to pay for their time and effort!
In all seriousness, if they really didn't care, they would have released the game and left it at that. They wouldn't patched it at all, let alone as much as they have. They wouldn't tweak any weapons based on player feedback. So what if SOME things are missing (stuff that actually may be in the works, stuff that has neither been confirmed or denied but being attempted)? The game doesn't need what's missing to be enjoyable, especially since some of them have third-party alternatives. BTW, redesigning the old maps on a new engine isn't going to be as simple as copy and pasting (which people despise CoD for?), they have to redesign most aspects from scratch and I personally think they did a great job.

You clearly aren't a veteran of the Battlefield series. Releasing a half-finished game and then releasing patches every couple of months with nothing but weapon damage tweaks isn't what a normal person would call supporting a game. This upcoming patch, with 4 months of waiting, will be one of the first to actually address gameplay issues. We'll see if it even does what it says it's supposed to do, as the previous supposed fix for Helicopters TV missile fix sure didn't' work. Now you can even shoot your own chopper with your Hydras. Isn't that fun....

You obviously aren't a server admin either or you'd know the painful history of server side bugs that we've had to deal with since launch. The first month was absolutely terrible. People that don't really play this game seriously have no place commenting on whether the game has been supported properly or not. Their lack of experience makes their opinions meaningless.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 3/5/12 at 1:16pm
post #97 of 166
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Originally Posted by Artev View Post

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Nobody is staging a blackout. BattlefieldO wanted to organize a blackout so they could actually receive communication from DICE. What was it, 1? 2 days later? This massive patch list was released, and the blackout was cancelled on the grounds of them getting what they wanted this entire time -- communication.
right... DICE inspired their customers to have a BLACKOUT to get information, if there had been an adequate amount of support from DICE, the idea of the black out would have never been expressed.
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The reason why ARMA doesn't sell as well as COD and BF3? It's because the majority of people want games like COD and BF3.
Arma doesn't sell well because it is extremely unpolished and hard to get into

If you don't believe us, look for yourself. Go to the source website and look at the Battlefield 3 section of news. Keep reading back until you get to the launch date. See how many of them are official statements by DICE. There's at least one or two a week since Battlefield's release. Whether it's about upcoming features, patch notes, DLC information, or just commenting on certain questions made by the community.. DICE has done anything but ignore us.
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no, I am upset because BF3 isn't very fun, I don't care at all about their communication or lack-there-of. My original post was about how the game is really disappointing and since then I've just been defending my right to have an opinion.
Arma was just a sidenote... not relevant to the main point but the conversation has been derailed (as you pointed out.)
in summary:
I don't care that DICE has or has not been communicating with the community. I care about the game actually being fixed. The people who say the game is great and doesn't need improvement keep dismissing those gamers who purchased the game and aren't happy with it. The EA/DICE defenders are saying no one has an issue with the game, despite the fact that there is a very vocal group of people begging for the game to be fixed and despite the fact that EA/DICE has acknowledged it needs fixed and are addressing it with a major patch with dozens and dozens of tweaks/bug fixes/modifications. That is all I have ever said, I think I have valid points...

No one is saying the game is perfect or saying there are no problems with it. Some of us just haven't experienced said problems. Every game is going to have some issues.. EVERY game. And no one is criticizing your right to an opinion. We all have opinions too, so we are allowed to post what we think in response to what you think. No one is telling you to shut up and stop posting.

Also, people who don't like something will always be the most vocal about it. People who enjoy the game have nothing to prove while people who dislike the game will spend their time trying to justify why they don't. People who like the game are content with what they have. This is how things are in every aspect of life.
Edited by moocowman - 3/5/12 at 1:11pm
post #98 of 166
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If you don't believe us, look for yourself. Go to the source website and look at the Battlefield 3 section of news. Keep reading back until you get to the launch date. See how many of them are official statements by DICE. There's at least one or two a week since Battlefield's release. Whether it's about upcoming features, patch notes, DLC information, or just commenting on certain questions made by the community.. DICE has done anything but ignore us.

Here's what I said:
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I don't care at all about their communication or lack-there-of.

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I don't care that DICE has or has not been communicating with the community. I care about the game actually being fixed.

Edited by Artev - 3/5/12 at 1:09pm
post #99 of 166
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If you don't believe us, look for yourself. Go to the source website and look at the Battlefield 3 section of news. Keep reading back until you get to the launch date. See how many of them are official statements by DICE. There's at least one or two a week since Battlefield's release. Whether it's about upcoming features, patch notes, DLC information, or just commenting on certain questions made by the community.. DICE has done anything but ignore us.
Here's what I said:
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I don't care at all about their communication or lack-there-of.
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I don't care that DICE has or has not been communicating with the community. I care about the game actually being fixed.

I was responding to this post..
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right... DICE inspired their customers to have a BLACKOUT to get information, if there had been an adequate amount of support from DICE, the idea of the black out would have never been expressed.

As I have already mentioned, many of the major bugs have been fixed. All that's left now are minor bugs and tweaks to the gameplay based on player feedback. If you don't enjoy the game now, it's not because it's broken or anything, it's simply because you don't enjoy it and the game isn't for you. That's fine.
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No one is saying the game is perfect or saying there are no problems with it. Some of us just haven't experienced said problems. Every game is going to have some issues.. EVERY game. And no one is criticizing your right to an opinion. We all have opinions too, so we are allowed to post what we think in response to what you think. No one is telling you to shut up and stop posting.

Here was my first post in this thread:
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i paid 60 dollars for a game that constantly crashed for months after release until they finally patched it - by then, I was basically "over" it but still tried to enjoy it. I invested time, effort and money into the game and have been nothing but disappointed. I have been reading about a new patch that rebuilds the game for weeks now but really, i don't care about the information, I want a playable game that is fun. EA thus far has failed and I am probably not going to bother with BF again. I purchased MW3 last weekend and have already had more fun playing it than I ever did with BF3. I feel like an idiot for trusting the OCN hype against CoD and for buying into the hype for BF3.

here was the response:
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Originally Posted by downlinx View Post

take your hate speech somewhere where they give a crap kid. you only have problem because you make problems. 95% of the players do not have problem, just because you have a problem with the game does not mean it sucks.

Edited by Artev - 3/5/12 at 1:26pm
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