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Not available in the US yet grrrrr. Heartbroken after having to return my EC2 evo which was perfect in every way except the stupid Huano switches. Had the original sensei for a bit and it was good enough for RTS except for the awful metallic shell and pointless features. Steelseries sensei raw seems like the perfect RTS mouse for fingertouch grippers.

The SS Sensei is definitely not in the same league as an Ec2 in terms of performance.
The shape might be good, but the 9800 is still a native acceleration sensor, which for many people (ME included) is a total dealbreaker.
The best RTS mouse at the moment IMO is the razer abyssus, by a mile. Light, cheap, small.
Depends on the grip you use of course.
post #122 of 192
So if I save settings to the mouse will they save without the software? Or does it need the software running in order to store any settings? Say's no-board memory.....I'm hoping it can hold one custom setting profile though

Edit: just seen on the website it says "1" profile so I'm guessing that's fine.
Edited by Sencha - 6/20/12 at 12:43am
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how does a logitech g5 compare with the raw?
    
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how does a logitech g5 compare with the raw?

I have the original G5, have owned the G500, and currently use the regular sensei. The G500 was just plain bad, and the original G5 had a few problems (scroll wheel, no forward button) which were fixed in the gen 2. I absolutely love the sensei. I picked it up for $45 new so I definitely can't complain. I don't need the LCD or any of that jazz, I just love the shape and control of the mouse.

If you can't find a cheap sensei, the MX518 is a good alternative. I can't speak much about the G400 as I have never tried one.
 
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The SS Sensei is definitely not in the same league as an Ec2 in terms of performance.
The shape might be good, but the 9800 is still a native acceleration sensor, which for many people (ME included) is a total dealbreaker.
The best RTS mouse at the moment IMO is the razer abyssus, by a mile. Light, cheap, small.
Depends on the grip you use of course.

The only Sensei with 9800 sensor might be the MLG version.

Both the original Sensei and Sensei[RAW] use 9500.

Abyssus is good as long as it's not used with certain cloth mousepads, too.
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I love my abyssus but I miss having a couple of side buttons. redface.gif
post #127 of 192
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Originally Posted by viowastaken View Post

The SS Sensei is definitely not in the same league as an Ec2 in terms of performance.
The shape might be good, but the 9800 is still a native acceleration sensor, which for many people (ME included) is a total dealbreaker.
The best RTS mouse at the moment IMO is the razer abyssus, by a mile. Light, cheap, small.
Depends on the grip you use of course.

I'm well aware of the Sensei's shortfalls. People are elitists over tracking but it really matters most for fps gamers who game at low sensitivity and need rapid 180 speed and pinpoint precision. To them, the EC2 should pretty much be the perfect mouse.

However, RTS gamers don't neccessarily need the razer sharp accuracy if it costs them elsewhere. Huano switches are AWFUL for RTS. They have a sticky, stiffer feel to them that makes it very difficult to hit over 200 apm in my experience. I play high Masters in SC2 with a CM Storm Spawn atm after having moved from the Abyssus (Mouse Clicks became stiffer overtime due to mediocre build quality). The Spawn is a fantastic mouse but I don't like being forced into a claw grip all the time. The sensei has omron switches and the perfect form factor for finger-touch grippers. I also have an Artisan Hayate so that positive acceleration will be 1-3% and not 5%.

100% perfect tracking is not absolutely necessary for RTS gamers. LG-IM_MVP, the world's best Starcraft 2 player, uses a logitech g9x which uses the 9500 on a firmware that has even more acceleration than the Sensei. Even granting the tracking superiority of optical mice, they have less cpi steps than Laser mice which matters for RTS gamers that usually don't have powerful in-game consoles to change sensitivity in-game and game at a variety of middle sensitivities.

I wish there was a perfect mouse that had perfect tracking, omron switches, and a form factor that fits my fingertouch grip. BST's mouse has promise in this regard and the EC2 Evo would be perfect if not for the awful Huano switches. Until there is a perfect mouse, I will prioritize tactile feeling, form factor, and then tracking in that order when purchasing mice. Sensei is far from perfect but until Zowie stops using awful switches, I don't have much of a choice.
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I'm well aware of the Sensei's shortfalls. People are elitists over tracking but it really matters most for fps gamers who game at low sensitivity and need rapid 180 speed and pinpoint precision. To them, the EC2 should pretty much be the perfect mouse.
However, RTS gamers don't neccessarily need the razer sharp accuracy if it costs them elsewhere. Huano switches are AWFUL for RTS. They have a sticky, stiffer feel to them that makes it very difficult to hit over 200 apm in my experience. I play high Masters in SC2 with a CM Storm Spawn atm after having moved from the Abyssus (Mouse Clicks became stiffer overtime due to mediocre build quality). The Spawn is a fantastic mouse but I don't like being forced into a claw grip all the time. The sensei has omron switches and the perfect form factor for finger-touch grippers. I also have an Artisan Hayate so that positive acceleration will be 1-3% and not 5%.
100% perfect tracking is not absolutely necessary for RTS gamers. LG-IM_MVP, the world's best Starcraft 2 player, uses a logitech g9x which uses the 9500 on a firmware that has even more acceleration than the Sensei. Even granting the tracking superiority of optical mice, they have less cpi steps than Laser mice which matters for RTS gamers that usually don't have powerful in-game consoles to change sensitivity in-game and game at a variety of middle sensitivities.
I wish there was a perfect mouse that had perfect tracking, omron switches, and a form factor that fits my fingertouch grip. BST's mouse has promise in this regard and the EC2 Evo would be perfect if not for the awful Huano switches. Until there is a perfect mouse, I will prioritize tactile feeling, form factor, and then tracking in that order when purchasing mice. Sensei is far from perfect but until Zowie stops using awful switches, I don't have much of a choice.

I see all your points and agree completely. I play mainly sc2 too, at a relatively high level, and I don't know how much of a problem the native acceleration would be there. I use 800 dpi with 6/11 and no sens adjustment in sc2. I think this would be a little too low to not notice anything.

But, if i whip out the old cs 1.6 or another FPS I use pretty darn low sens, which would drive me absolutely ape**** with 5% acc on.
post #129 of 192
Hi

First time here on overclock. I've been looking for a mouse to replace my aging MX518. At first I bought a DeathAdder but didn't like the shape as the right side (right handed version) slopes away and it becomes very hard to grip. Didn't realize this until I got home and found it to be the same shape as my old MSI3.0 which I hated as it gave me cramps after short use.

Reading around I decided to get the Kinzu V2Pro but its a bit small for my hands. So I decided to wait for the Sensei RAW, and now its out! Its better built than the Kinzu. Bigger and more comfortable for me. I bought the rubber surface version, which was a big mistake. According to their website it is suppose to be anti-sweat (?). I think they mean anti-slip, but it is anything but anti-slip. I don't sweat much and so the mouse is as slippery as an eel. My Kinzu is the glossy black version and I can grip that much better than the RAW.

The switches have a nice feel and give a reassuring click. The scroll wheel has a very nice feel and the rubber coating is super grippy. It doesn't rattle when rotated and has no side play. However pressing it is not so good. Don't know if it is just my mouse but the click travel is short and I cannot press it rapidly as it seems to stick.

I don't game so I haven't tested it for prediction, acceleration, snapping, etc.

I regret buying the rubberized version and even when I sweat slightly its still slippery. I don't want to buy yet another mouse. DA then KinzuV2Pro, then RAW, in the space of a few weeks is not cheap. Maybe I should have gone for the G400 wink.gif

So then, I had an idea to spray paint the RAW to have a glossy finish. To do that I have to take it apart. And in doing so I thought to take some photos of the inside and post them here for everyone to see.


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The PCB.
A9500 Avago sensor
MC9S08JM16 Freescale 8-bit Microcontroller

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Omron D2FC-F-7N(10M) switches

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Disassembled Sensei RAW

I haven't spray painted it yet but when its all done I'll post some photos of it.
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Thank you for the disassembled pics.

But why didn't you send it back and buy the glossy version???
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