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this is getting really annoying. I have the xtreme4-m and im assuming I am having VRM temp issues... I cant even get the PC stable at 4.6 without the motherboard throttling... I have all the protects turned off and even bought the antec spot cool fan to sit ontop of the VRMs... Seriously? overheating at 1.35v... and throttling my overclocks... this is very annoying... I was running at 2600k before this with the same watercooled setup on the asus z68 gene at 1.465v daily without an issue. Is this a specific Asrock issue? I am really contemplating just getting rid of this motherboard and moving onto the rampage... ahhhhh dont know what to do at this point. really dont feel like getting a motherboard specific VRM cooler either... besides the fact that its not even out yet for the US... basically right now I am stuck and keeping my 3930k at stock. how ridiculous is that...

With a fan on your VRM there should be more than sufficient cooling on the VRMs. Keep in mind, if you disable the temp protection then there is something else that is causing the problem.

I would like to have you first, build up a sig rig, there is a link in the top right corner of this page. Then enable your sig rig into your signature so it will be attached to all of your posts.

Next, what type of CPU temps are you getting? Keep in mind that the 3930k puts out ~25% more heat than the 2600k and the same cooling setup will not be sufficient if you didn't have a lot of room to go on your 2600k.

What type of cooling are you using?

I guess we can start with those 2 questions.
 
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With a fan on your VRM there should be more than sufficient cooling on the VRMs. Keep in mind, if you disable the temp protection then there is something else that is causing the problem.
I would like to have you first, build up a sig rig, there is a link in the top right corner of this page. Then enable your sig rig into your signature so it will be attached to all of your posts.
Next, what type of CPU temps are you getting? Keep in mind that the 3930k puts out ~25% more heat than the 2600k and the same cooling setup will not be sufficient if you didn't have a lot of room to go on your 2600k.
What type of cooling are you using?
I guess we can start with those 2 questions.

since im at work I will just answer the questions and fill out a sig rig later when I Get home.
cpu temps can be anywhere from upper 60's, to JUST touching 80 depending on how much voltage im using.

for cooling. custom water loop with 2 360 rads. 1 is for cpu, 1 for my 2 gpu's. and the CPU block is the Rasa block.

also one of my cores are spiking around 10 degrees vs the others. I have heard this is normal... so ill ignore that for now.
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just to clarify 80 is when I was doing 1.48v, which was right before I Realized the throttling that was occurring.

and stock running prime95 or IBT i hit either upper 40's or low 50's depending on ambient.
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post #384 of 1592
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I would say your cooling is more than sufficient. I have never heard of someone throttling from the VRMs at 4.6ghz, but there are a couple things you can do. I have an Extreme 9, and they beefed up the VRM cooling on the higher tier models.

First, I would try removing the X79 silver cap on your VRMs, I know it looks nice, but it doesn't help cooling at all. There should be one small screw on the side of the VRM's heatsink, and then it is pretty much tapped on.

Removed this, clean off the tape.

Next is to get your self a high CFM fan to place over your VRMs, the spot cool is nice, but we can't be SURE it is what is causing the problem until we go overboard trying to cool it. Something around 80cfm is ideal, and place it right over your VRM.

If your still throttling after that, then there is another issue here.
 
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hmm not sure if ill be able to fit a 120mm fan in there... the antec spotcool is only 70mm turned alittle bit to the side and its cramped...
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post #386 of 1592
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hmm not sure if ill be able to fit a 120mm fan in there... the antec spotcool is only 70mm turned alittle bit to the side and its cramped...

It doesn't need to be directly on top of it, I just wanted to flood the area with cool air, and see if that opens up your overclocking a bit. If the issue is VRM overheating, then you can find a solution from there, but if it doesn't change anything, we need to look at other issues.
 
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It doesn't need to be directly on top of it, I just wanted to flood the area with cool air, and see if that opens up your overclocking a bit. If the issue is VRM overheating, then you can find a solution from there, but if it doesn't change anything, we need to look at other issues.

definitely. maybe ill try to use one of my other noiseblock multi frame fans repositioned to sit ontop. to be honest my goal would be reasonable temp/voltage 5ghz on my 3930k. with it being able to boot into 4.8 at under 1.4v, I dont think this will be that huge of an undertaking (was stable at 1.4v but with throttling going on.... wouldnt consider it to be accurate) but if its already having temp issues then i may really need the waterblock. I will also turn on the AC tonight. the temps inside the house was 84 degrees last night haha. basically blowing hot air all over the place.

the reason I like the asus rampage gene is the VRM heat block is so much bigger so alot more area for the heat to dissipate. I wonder if Asrock did this on purpose to limit the board for less damage to occur to the rest of the board. would be nice if there was a 1 peice full mobo cover block so I can just take care of everything at one time..
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definitely. maybe ill try to use one of my other noiseblock multi frame fans repositioned to sit ontop. to be honest my goal would be reasonable temp/voltage 5ghz on my 3930k. with it being able to boot into 4.8 at under 1.4v, I dont think this will be that huge of an undertaking (was stable at 1.4v but with throttling going on.... wouldnt consider it to be accurate) but if its already having temp issues then i may really need the waterblock. I will also turn on the AC tonight. the temps inside the house was 84 degrees last night haha. basically blowing hot air all over the place.
the reason I like the asus rampage gene is the VRM heat block is so much bigger so alot more area for the heat to dissipate. I wonder if Asrock did this on purpose to limit the board for less damage to occur to the rest of the board. would be nice if there was a 1 peice full mobo cover block so I can just take care of everything at one time..

I was curious as to why you chose such a small motherboard to start with? I know a couple others here have the same mobo, but wanted a very small computer form factor. You seem to have some pretty large rads and water cooling going on, what case are you using?

Keep in mind, there are plenty of 3930k's that do not hit 5ghz, you need a chip that is better than 50% of production to keep going higher.
 
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case wise I have a custom mATX case built. has 2 slots for 360 rads below the mobo. basically I Got sick and tired of having huge towers and wanted something small on my desk. I really like it. especially with the water cooling, there isnt much limitations unless you want like a bunch of harddrives and quad SLI.

and the 3930k boots into windows at 5ghz fine, just cant fine tune anything due to the throttling... which is driving me absolutely crazy.

adding a picture of my case.

420
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so, just a quick update. 2 things. oddly it seems that 2 cores on my 3930k are constantly spiking extremely high, not sure why. the other 4 cores sit at upper 60's and low 70's, and the other 2 cores will go into mid 80's. after looking at the bottom of my rasa block, it seems there may be some slightly deep scratches... SOOO, I am planning on picking up a raystorm tomorrow to see if this takes care of the heat issue. and dont ask... I spent alot of time reTIMing my waterblock 7 different times with a bunch of different methods and nothing changed.

also... on my VRM heatsink, I noticed that you need to actually take out the motherboard to remove it... WAY too much work ATM so instead I actually removed the logo metal peice that was sitting ontop. seems to have helped air flow a lot as it completely blocks my fan from reaching the middle portion of the heatsink.

anyways lets see if this solves anything.

*** Oh forgot to add. The throttling has now stopped at 1.36v so I am sitting stable for the time being at 4.6. got bored and also overclocked my samsung ram to 2133 10-10-10-29 1n at 1.45v. stable on HCI memtest for about an hour after erroring 5 times in a row within 5 minutes(needed more voltage), so I feel its probably pretty stable. If anyone has any tips on overclocking to 2400 hit me up. I tried to load up 2400 and my system wouldnt even boot haha. maybe im not loosening the timing enough or enough volts or whatever.
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