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Don't know if you guys tried 1.84 beta bios for xtreme4, but it's good. had problems with posting sometimes (stuck at displaying imei info) with 1.81 but no on 1.84.
anyway, 1.84 enhances "dram compatibility" so i hoped to run sticks at 1866 but no luck.
i have 2 dual channel kits from g-skill rated 8-8-8-24 at 1600/1.6V.
currently they work at rated timings but at 1.5V.
no matter what i do, there is no post at 1866 mhz. even with 9-9-9-27@1.65V.
tried nb voltage till 1.1V at stock VTT.
any advice?

VTT and VCSSA would be the ones to raise. 1.1v sounds good for vtt, but VCSSA might need over 1.1v I need 1.040v to pass Prime at only 1666.
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Could be holding it back for maybe IB-E???

From a companies standpoint, that would seem silly to wait for another chip to come out.

While waiting, ASUS could come out with a 4 lane x16 board as well. If they released it sooner, they would steal some of the high end buyers. Just think of how many people would buy it, just for benchmarking.


I know you already want one wermad... Don't deny it.
 
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From a companies standpoint, that would seem silly to wait for another chip to come out.
While waiting, ASUS could come out with a 4 lane x16 board as well. If they released it sooner, they would steal some of the high end buyers. Just think of how many people would buy it, just for benchmarking.
I know you already want one wermad... Don't deny it.

As long as it IV-E is LG2011 and compatible with X79, why not? Nvidia is doing the same thing for their flagship gpu; its either going to be a highend gtx 685 or the next gtx 780.

With Asrock numerous boards, it is becoming a bit too crowded tbh so holding this one back may make sense.

I think Asrock may have aimed too high. Seeing that he Champion slightly under prices the RIVE, they may have reconsidered the 11 as too expensive and thus making the RIVE more appealing.

I like how they priced the Fatal1ty Pro, ~$280. I think the Champion should have been closer to the RIVF price of ~$350 and offer the 11 at ~$400-429. This would be more inline with their pricing strategy to compete with the established high end boards.

Ultimately, I think they went overboard and the Extreme11 became to expensive to produce and so the cost would have made it non-justifiable when the RIVE is cheaper (that's an oxymoron confused.gif). I still wouldn't pay more than $350 for a RIVE and $300 for a RIVF. I'm quite happy with my Fatal1ty pro I got for a mere $240 and it was only a week old.
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As long as it IV-E is LG2011 and compatible with X79, why not? Nvidia is doing the same thing for their flagship gpu; its either going to be a highend gtx 685 or the next gtx 780.
With Asrock numerous boards, it is becoming a bit too crowded tbh so holding this one back may make sense.
I think Asrock may have aimed too high. Seeing that he Champion slightly under prices the RIVE, they may have reconsidered the 11 as too expensive and thus making the RIVE more appealing.
I like how they priced the Fatal1ty Pro, ~$280. I think the Champion should have been closer to the RIVF price of ~$350 and offer the 11 at ~$400-429. This would be more inline with their pricing strategy to compete with the established high end boards.
Ultimately, I think they went overboard and the Extreme11 became to expensive to produce and so the cost would have made it non-justifiable when the RIVE is cheaper (that's an oxymoron confused.gif). I still wouldn't pay more than $350 for a RIVE and $300 for a RIVF. I'm quite happy with my Fatal1ty pro I got for a mere $240 and it was only a week old.

I almost bought that for $240 and sold my Xtreme 9.
 
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check this system out, it uses an ASRock extreme6/GB, but also has a unique concept that can be done on cheap (cheaper anyway). It basically is using an OCZ RevoDrive 3 X2, 64GB of ram, 2 Seagate momentus XT's in raid for superb performance. It's also using a superb ramdisk app which I have just installed the trial and the concept does work. This Romex Primo Ramdisk automatically saves your data at shutdown and because you are using a revodrive PCI-E card, it does it extremely fast.... much faster than a sata 3 SSD. So basically you can have a 50GB+ true NTFS hard drive that will run at 8GB/s, amazing....and can be had at a reasonable cost if you get a smaller/cheaper revodrive. This ramdisk software is the best I have tried, I may actually buy it and upgrade my ram to 32GB. check out the system and then Ramdisk software (free trial). My system took about 30 seconds longer to shutdown with a 2GB movie on the ramdisk but the startup time had no difference in time. Very interesting?

http://www.pcper.com/news/Systems/Just-Delivered-DV-Nation-RAMRod-PC-Sandy-Bridge-E-64GB-DDR3-480GB-RevoDrive-3-X2

http://www.romexsoftware.com/en-us/primo-ramdisk/features.html

check it out, it seems like a cool toy to have...even if not as top tier as the pc above.

Added: Oh yea, almost forgot...It's nice to see such a high end PC manufacturer using an ASRock Extreme6/GB mobo!!! goes to show you that ASRock has arrived in terms of price/performance/quality. I'm very satisfied with mine and has exceeded expectations.
Edited by gordong11 - 5/18/12 at 11:45pm
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Re these RAMRod PCs.

The website indicates that the default distribution of memory for a 32GB config is 4GB for system memory, 8GB for ram cache and 20GB for a ram drive.

Can someone explain what the point of the ram cache is? Why not just allocate the 8GB ram cache as system memory and let the OS decide what to keep in memory. Does write caching using ram really make a perceptible difference during average usage with a high performing SSD (or PCIe SSD) system disk?

The ram drive that automatically saves and reloads on shutdown/startup is cool, but with only 32GB of system memory or less, it seems hardly worth it as you'd only be able to install a couple of programs. With 64GB, this starts to become an interesting proposition - but then this begins to add considerably to startup/shutdown time, even with a system disk comprised of SATA3 SSDs in RAID0 or a PCIe SSD as in the article.

Other than to reduce loading times for games, what other applications would benefit most from being installed on a ram disk? Anything that involves manipulating large amounts of data at once I suppose? Video editing software comes to mind - or perhaps installing the video editing software on the system disk and using the ram drive as a temp directory for the media being edited would make more sense?
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I'm not an expert on these programs but here is the gist....There are 2 types RamCache and RamDisk, a ramcache is just caching the files of your most utilized programs to make them load faster and perform better, all data is lost at shutdown. A Ramdisk like the link above is creating a physical hard drive from your ram, then saving the data image at shutdown onto the SSD, so when you reboot all the data is still there. Programs, games, video files can be installed onto the ram disk which makes one heck of a fast hard drive, all be it a small one. the point of having the Revodrive 3 X2, is so that the ramdisk can save its files ultra-fast at shutdown because of the PCI-E X4 interface. This Ramdisk should be like 10x faster then a SATA III 7200rpm drive (i think), but i have not done any benchmarks yet. One thing good about having 8 dimm slots, 64GB of ram is that you can create a 48GB Ramdisk, and have 16GB of ram for your OS to use. This is a great way to maximize performance and take advantage of otherwise wasted ram. It also saves writes to your SSD (both ramcache and ramdisk), prolonging its lifespan.

Added: the Ramdisk above can even save the data image real-time onto the SSD, which will enhance shutdown speed. It's amazing and worth the $$$ IMHO if you have the need/want for a super speed hard drive. You can even format to NTFS, Fat32 etc. Right now I am only using 16GB of ram on four of my eight dimm slots, and this ramdisk is as good of a reason as any to add an additional 4 dimms.
Edited by gordong11 - 5/19/12 at 11:51am
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Yeah. I guess my question was whether using ram as system disk cache would really increased performance noticeably over a fast SSD setup without ram cache (letting Windows handle memory). Or is this mostly marketing hype? I can see the value of the Ram disk in certain specific scenarios, especially if you have 64GB ram.

Also, the OCZ RevoDrive 3 X2 480GB PCIe SSD in the linked to RAMRod system seems kind of pointless. These drives cost $1,500 at Newegg and, at least in synthetic benchmarks such as AS-SSD, don't perform much better than 2 high performance 256GB SATA3 SSDs in RAID 0 which you can get now starting around $500 (ie, Crucial M4, Samsung 830, Corsair Performance Pro, etc). I have 2x Corsair Performance Pros in RAID 0, and looking at a couple of OCZ RevoDrive 3 X2 480GB reviews, the sequential read/write speeds are faster on my RAID 0 array, while the 4k performance may be a little better on the RevoDrive, but not by too much. You'd think that sequential transfer speeds would be most relevant to dumping data back and forth from the ram disk at shutdown/startup. Even if you wanted to drop a few hundred on a nice hardware PCIe controller for your RAID 0 array (I'm only using onboard Intel), you'd still be out ahead.
Edited by cynan - 5/19/12 at 1:22pm
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]I think you benefit from a ram cache but whether the difference would be noticeable to the naked eye is another story. It depends what apps you are running. Download the free 30- day trial. ASRock's XFast Ram app is a form of ram cache and free w/ most new mobo's, but its limited..... and does work (according to Cleon's video tests anyway). check it out.....

The same goes for a Ramdisk, but I have downloaded the trial and the difference is noticeable all be it slightly. I do think if I was able to to create a 48GB version and say load Skyrim or Wow onto it, the difference would be noticeable but not that great. My system is pretty fast as is, new zones load in a couple seconds only. The reason why most people haven't heard of ramdisks or cache's is primarily because enterprise apps and servers would benefit most. This being said no question you are right to some degree, because if you don't have a fast drive to save the ramdisk to, it would probably take forever to write a 48GB image at shutdown. Not a marketing ploy but not mainstream either, interesting enough to test the trial version imho.

Added: one thing cannot be argued is that a ramcache prolongs the life your SSD because it's saving writes, while in theory faster than your SSD, certainly not slower. In this regard alone can be worth a small price tag for the app. Over a span of 5 years, thats a ton of writes. In fact now that I think about it, I'm going to start using XFast ram w/ auto save/start enabled. It is free after all. Result: working, takes 2 mins to save the 4GB XFast RamDisk image onto my SSD with auto save/start enabled, the Romex Ramdisk compresses but not XFast Ram, so hard to compare. IE is noticeably but only slightly faster to the naked eye. I would recommend not using the save function if just using to save writes to your SSD, why bother. I couldn't imagine saving with a 48GB Ramdisk without Romex compression and a Revodrive 3 X2. Startup times are not really effected much, just a few secs maximum.. I will try the Romex later and post.
Edited by gordong11 - 5/20/12 at 4:35am
post #650 of 1592
Well folks, seems I'm jumping ship. I just purchased an ASUS ROG Rampage IV GENE and should have it on Wednesday.

I've enjoyed owning an ASRock MB. I've sent a PM to rctrucker to see if he'd like to take over the thread. Y'all take care now.
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