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Originally Posted by Artful Dodger View Post

How do you tell a ref from non ref?
Ie: http://www.ascendtech.us/ati-radeon-hd4850-1gb-dual-dvi-video_i_vc28810e81050ac.aspx
What is that?


You can tell from the design. Reference cards have all the same PCB and cooler even if they are from different brands, to explain it somehow, a 6970 (reference model) from asus won't be any diferent from a 6970 (reference model) from HIS, except from the accessories, the box and the sticker.

Reference cards usually look like this

Nonreference cards have modified PCB, coolers and sometimes extra features. Most of those will get you better cooling and options like voltage increases or measure points.

Here are some examples:

Lightning (MSI)

ARES (ASUS)

Hope it helps
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post #12 of 20
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Originally Posted by MrDucktape View Post

You can tell from the design. Reference cards have all the same PCB and cooler even if they are from different brands, to explain it somehow, a 6970 (reference model) from asus won't be any diferent from a 6970 (reference model) from HIS, except from the accessories, the box and the sticker.
Reference cards usually look like this
Nonreference cards have modified PCB, coolers and sometimes extra features. Most of those will get you better cooling and options like voltage increases or measure points.
Here are some examples:
Lightning (MSI)
ARES (ASUS)
Hope it helps

Those are a bit more than just non-ref, serious high end card ya?
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The way I see it
  • Look for Reference cards if you are planning on using waterblock.
  • Look for non Reference if you are not planning to use a waterblock and need a good stock cooling.
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post #14 of 20
Thread Starter 
well i have 6870 non reference and you may see some pics of it they are in my profile...
I'm going to crossfire that with another 6870 but no waterblock but with better stock cooling ....
Which non reference should i go with-
and ya consider no budget.....
And as usual link will be helpfull....
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post #15 of 20
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Green cards are different, your reference boards rather suck in some key model lineups don't they?

I lol'ed a bit. IMO there's nothing wrong with either, but it does utter suck as someone said if you want to watercool the block with a full cover and you can't find a cover for your non-reference card frown.gif that said the non-references usually have nicer coolers on them and oc better (usually means not all the time). I think there is something wrong with my two asus 560ti 384 non-reference cards. Both artifact at stock and have power issues unless i tweak the drivers ><...

Anyways back to the topic. Non-reference are usually quieter as well (again not all the time). Should only compare between same models though, because my 560Ti ASUS DirectCUII ones are way louder than my reference hd 6970s, hands down.
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Reasons for reference cards:

1) Maximum compatibility with aftermarket hardware / software.

2) You know what to expect. A reference GTX 280 from BFG is the same as a reference GTX280 from EVGA or PNY or ASUS. That means you know precisely what you are paying for. If they have the same customer support and are both reference, you know there is no reason to buy the more expensive one, for instance.

3) You know they haven't modified it in a way that will later kick you in the rear. A Non-reference card may well have better cooling and speeds, but if doing so introduces a bug that eventually bricks your card, you wont know it until it happens (or it happens to enough other people).


Reasons for non-reference cards:

1) They can often be cheaper.

2) They can often be more powerful, cooler, smaller, more durable, or simply look nicer than reference cards.

3) They can often have unique features for extended usability (for instance, voltage control chips to allow voltage overclocking).



Which is better? Depends on the particular card in question and the user's goals.
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If tool free means a can of compressed air or the awesome sauce Data Vac, then yes. tongue.gif
No, I meant if it is possible to pry open the black plastic shroud of reference heatsink so that I can clean it with a tissue without the heatsink contact + thermal grease detaching from the graphic core which would need to reapply thermal grease and possibly voiding the warranty.
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No, I meant if it is possible to pry open the black plastic shroud of reference heatsink so that I can clean it with a tissue without the heatsink contact + thermal grease detaching from the graphic core which would need to reapply thermal grease and possibly voiding the warranty.

Hmm, you want to not only remove the cooler, but pry off the housing? Anything that leaves a mark, damage will = insta void. Removing a cooler won't auto void but pry marks surely will.
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Well, everyone will have their own opinions on which to buy and why..

Mine:
Reference : Waterblocks = Watercooling
Non-Reference : Air cooling
 
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I am a proud owner of a Sapphire non reference 4870 and i never had any issues and my temps are about 30C lower than a stock reference cooler.
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