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can anyone tell me if I should get a i7 2600k or a 8120? I am mostly going to be using my computer for multi purpose. Extensive gaming as well video editing, encoding etc... After all my minor is in graphics and multimedia -.-

Shoot I would have ordered my parts last night but this amd bulldozer vs i7 series debate is making me think twice.

I also would like to future proof my machine for the next 5-7 years (yes that's how frequently I build machines)
    
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post #102 of 140
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Originally Posted by djkonflikt View Post

can anyone tell me if I should get a i7 2600k or a 8120? I am mostly going to be using my computer for multi purpose. Extensive gaming as well video editing, encoding etc... After all my minor is in graphics and multimedia -.-

Shoot I would have ordered my parts last night but this amd bulldozer vs i7 series debate is making me think twice.

I also would like to future proof my machine for the next 5-7 years (yes that's how frequently I build machines)

2600k. (future proof 3930k)

Amd has its benefits, FX is honestly their worst thing for the average man, (it kicks freaking tail as a server rig though holy baltz) a 2600k should serve you well. 5-7 years is a large amount of time though remember.
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post #103 of 140
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That's not how it works...
A very much overly simplified model of how it works in theory (and mostly in real life as well, but we all know that things don't scale too linearly, which actually works in favor of the 2500K in this case) would be IPC x frequency x number of cores. In multithreaded stuff that is.
Why you would think that you get a bigger boost (% wise) from an OC than a 2500K user is beyond me.

You have to look at this from a bench-marking perspective. A benchmark gives you a score, for instance, look at the POV 3.7 benchmark on AnandTech

8150 - 4512
2500k - 3439
The 8150 wins by 1073

Overclock these to chips and they go up linearly, add a 40% OC.
8150 is now 6316
2500k is now 4814
The 8150 wins by 1502.

From a percentage standpoint the gains are the same, from a bench-marking standpoint the gains become more as speeds increase.
post #104 of 140
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Originally Posted by almstsobur View Post

You have to look at this from a bench-marking perspective. A benchmark gives you a score, for instance, look at the POV 3.7 benchmark on AnandTech
8150 - 4512
2500k - 3439
The 8150 wins by 1073
Overclock these to chips and they go up linearly, add a 40% OC.
8150 is now 6316
2500k is now 4814
The 8150 wins by 1502.
From a percentage standpoint the gains are the same, from a bench-marking standpoint the gains become more as speeds increase.

You said your performance will increase exponentially though, which is obviously not true. Also the issue at hand has nothing to do with the amount of cores the CPUs have, which is also something you implied. Yes if your performance at stock is already higher than a stock 2500K your increase in points in the said bench will be bigger than that of the 2500K user assuming that you both reach a similar OC %-wise. This works both ways though.

Oh and if you want someone with a 2500K to bench against, I'd suggest PMing BallaTheFeared, I'm sure he's glad to do it lol. I'd be happy to accept as well but I don't have one.
 
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You said your performance will increase exponentially though, which is obviously not true. Also the issue at hand has nothing to do with the amount of cores the CPUs have, which is also something you implied. Yes if your performance at stock is already higher than a stock 2500K your increase in points in the said bench will be bigger than that of the 2500K user assuming that you both reach a similar OC %-wise. This works both ways though.
Oh and if you want someone with a 2500K to bench against, I'd suggest PMing BallaTheFeared, I'm sure he's glad to do it lol. I'd be happy to accept as well but I don't have one.

Oh man.
I forgot about Balla...
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That's not how it works...
A very much overly simplified model of how it works in theory (and mostly in real life as well, but we all know that things don't scale too linearly, which actually works in favor of the 2500K in this case) would be IPC x frequency x number of cores. In multithreaded stuff that is.
Why you would think that you get a bigger boost (% wise) from an OC than a 2500K user is beyond me.

If the application was using all 8 cores, he would. IPC doesn't count cores, so if you're say, encoding video, a 8150 gains the IPC of a SB. A 4.8Ghz FX-8150 can match/beat a 5Ghz 2600k because of that.
However, for anything using under 8 cores and using them well...SB would win in IPC.
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If the application was using all 8 cores, he would. IPC doesn't count cores, so if you're say, encoding video, a 8150 gains the IPC of a SB. A 4.8Ghz FX-8150 can match/beat a 5Ghz 2600k because of that.
However, for anything using under 8 cores and using them well...SB would win in IPC.

Shouldn't the IPC x cores x frequency, work in apps that use all the cores? Assuming ofc that everything scales linearly? Yes the performance of BD will be around the same as SB at similar frequencies in stuff that uses all the cores but that does not mean that for some strange reason you can get exponentially more perf from a clock increase which was the thing he was suggesting.

E: the main point is that when comparing CPUs in tests that are bound to take use of all the cores we should just forget the core count entirely because it makes no difference. Just focus on the performance at different frequencies.
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2600k. (future proof 3930k)
Amd has its benefits, FX is honestly their worst thing for the average man, (it kicks freaking tail as a server rig though holy baltz) a 2600k should serve you well. 5-7 years is a large amount of time though remember.

yeah the 3930k is a bit over my budget for the CPU. + I am a college student so I am using FAFSA refund $ + tax returns to do a build. I cannot do that every year since they are cutting off funding. Maybe I will need to use this pc for the remainder of my college career----> 4 years minimum.
    
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2600k is way better then the 8150 in just about everything. As with every piece of hardware there are exceptions here and there where the BD will be faster but overall there is no contest.
    
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yeah the 3930k is a bit over my budget for the CPU. + I am a college student so I am using FAFSA refund $ + tax returns to do a build. I cannot do that every year since they are cutting off funding. Maybe I will need to use this pc for the remainder of my college career----> 4 years minimum.

Do a 3820 ($320.00). Slightly better performance than a 2600/2700k. Most benches are equal but it does pull slightly ahead when overclocks are even. It buys the way into the lga2011 socket and you will be able to do ivy bridge-e next year in 6 and 8 cores without changing anything. It is the most sensible thing to do and will run you 100 dollars (give or take a couple of dollars) more than a 2600/2700k build only because of the cost of the mobo is typically 100 higher. Or pcik up a 3930k next year when ibe hits for the cheap
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