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2600k is way better then the 8150 in just about everything. As with every piece of hardware there are exceptions here and there where the BD will be faster but overall there is no contest.

While waiting for replies I was also comparing the 3820 vs the 2600k whats the primary advantage of a 2600k other than its embedded graphics over the 3820 which appears to have a higher stock clock speed?
    
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yeah the 3930k is a bit over my budget for the CPU. + I am a college student so I am using FAFSA refund $ + tax returns to do a build. I cannot do that every year since they are cutting off funding. Maybe I will need to use this pc for the remainder of my college career----> 4 years minimum.

Do a 3820 ($320.00). Slightly better performance than a 2600/2700k. Most benches are equal but it does pull slightly ahead when overclocks are even. It buys the way into the lga2011 socket and you will be able to do ivy bridge-e next year in 6 and 8 cores without changing anything. It is the most sensible thing to do and will run you 100 dollars (give or take a couple of dollars) more than a 2600/2700k build only because of the cost of the mobo is typically 100 higher. Or pcik up a 3930k next year when ibe hits for the cheap

He can't do upgrades. That was his original statement I believe (I agree with you but he can't do it). He's gotta build it now, and its gotta last as is.
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While waiting for replies I was also comparing the 3820 vs the 2600k whats the primary advantage of a 2600k other than its embedded graphics over the 3820 which appears to have a higher stock clock speed?

among other things, it is capable of running quad channel memory setups and the 1155 cpus can only do dual channel. It would help with video editing and other tasks like that, but not much in games.
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among other things, it is capable of running quad channel memory setups and the 1155 cpus can only do dual channel. It would help with video editing and other tasks like that, but not much in games.

For 99.9% of things, Quad vs Dual channel RAM means diddly squat. Especially when even with 4 channels, it's getting less bandwidth than the 2600k (or other 1155 chips.) Proof: http://www.techspot.com/review/492-intel-core-i7-3820/page3.html

Edit: "To be fair, the i7-3960X isn't all that impressive when gaming either, though it's at least on par with the 2600K. I believe the SB-E parts struggle here because they have inferior memory performance to the 2500K and 2600K. Despite the newer chips supporting quad-channel RAM, the SB-E processors have a higher memory latency, which attributes for the loss in bandwidth.

Interestingly when measuring bandwidth performance using SiSoftware Sandra, as many tech sites do, the SB-E processors appear to have a memory bandwidth in excess of 35GB/s, roughly 75% more than the 2600K. Yet AIDA64 Extreme Edition shows the 3820 and 3960X with a read/write bandwidth of just 18GB/s and 15GB/s, which is slower than the LGA1155 processors.

In removing two of the four memory modules for dual-channel operation, we've found that the latency improves and so does the bandwidth. This begs the question: do SB-E processors "require" quad-channel memory? We don't think so. The only benefit is the extra memory capacity due to the inclusion of eight DIMM slots versus the four you get on LGA1155. "

OP: I'd buy an 1155 platform, with the money saved on a motherboard you will be able to afford a MUCH better GPU. And unless you do a lot of video encoding/rendering/insert extremely multi-threaded thing here, go with the 2500k. That's another 100 USD saved (for an even better video card, or an SSD, or headphones, etc)
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All I can say is, I really like my 2600K
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Shouldn't the IPC x cores x frequency, work in apps that use all the cores? Assuming ofc that everything scales linearly? Yes the performance of BD will be around the same as SB at similar frequencies in stuff that uses all the cores but that does not mean that for some strange reason you can get exponentially more perf from a clock increase which was the thing he was suggesting.
E: the main point is that when comparing CPUs in tests that are bound to take use of all the cores we should just forget the core count entirely because it makes no difference. Just focus on the performance at different frequencies.

Pretty much, although IPC could include cores for large workloads.

IPC is different depending on what you do, say SB gets an IPC of 2 and BD gets an IPC of 1.5 in gaming, that won't carry over to encoding. The IPC x Cores x Frequency equation only really works for stuff that uses one core, but can have multiple instances run at the same time, for example when you're encoding MP3s using LAME in Foobar2k, each LAME encoder will only use 1 core, but foobar will have multiple copies at once. (Eg, I have three cores so it does three songs at a time)
    
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For 99.9% of things, Quad vs Dual channel RAM means diddly squat. Especially when even with 4 channels, it's getting less bandwidth than the 2600k (or other 1155 chips.) Proof: http://www.techspot.com/review/492-intel-core-i7-3820/page3.html
Edit: "To be fair, the i7-3960X isn't all that impressive when gaming either, though it's at least on par with the 2600K. I believe the SB-E parts struggle here because they have inferior memory performance to the 2500K and 2600K. Despite the newer chips supporting quad-channel RAM, the SB-E processors have a higher memory latency, which attributes for the loss in bandwidth.
Interestingly when measuring bandwidth performance using SiSoftware Sandra, as many tech sites do, the SB-E processors appear to have a memory bandwidth in excess of 35GB/s, roughly 75% more than the 2600K. Yet AIDA64 Extreme Edition shows the 3820 and 3960X with a read/write bandwidth of just 18GB/s and 15GB/s, which is slower than the LGA1155 processors.
In removing two of the four memory modules for dual-channel operation, we've found that the latency improves and so does the bandwidth. This begs the question: do SB-E processors "require" quad-channel memory? We don't think so. The only benefit is the extra memory capacity due to the inclusion of eight DIMM slots versus the four you get on LGA1155. "
OP: I'd buy an 1155 platform, with the money saved on a motherboard you will be able to afford a MUCH better GPU. And unless you do a lot of video encoding/rendering/insert extremely multi-threaded thing here, go with the 2500k. That's another 100 USD saved (for an even better video card, or an SSD, or headphones, etc)

That is one benchmark. There is also benchmarks where it kills a 2600. The other benefits is this is supposed to last him 5 years. The 2011 socket has more pcie lanes and will be able to take advantage of the graphic cards rolling out over the next 5 years without the cpu being the bottleneck. Sandy bridge won't be able to do that.
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8 core 4 module.Yup.

There is better. Much better. 6-core Intel's. They trump the 8-core AMDs by a LOT.

In no way cost efficient though. (Just to be clear all you will never get me to deny intel is better, just I'm a common man with no cash to spare. I sale sniped every part in my rig biggrin.gif)

This is not even your thread, but you keep on rejecting our reply to the thread starter.
Look at the thread title and the original post, it's just simply asking if there are any cpu that is better than an 8 core BD, and yes there are,

2500k cost equal or lesser than 8150 wich is the top of the line cpu of amd, but their performance are just about equal on multi threading, but 2500k owns the 8150 when it comes to gaming, it also consumes less electricity.

Then there is this 2600k which beats the top of the line cpu of amd in every aspect.
I'm not even gonna talk about the six core processors of intel, that is overkill compared to amd's 8 core cpu

Again, this thread is just about a cpu that is better than 8 core BD. The op even said that "i thought 8 core is better?" Performance is not just about cores and clock speed, there is something more to it.

And the term better is not always about performance. I've never disputed BD is bad, but faithfully worshipping intel is idiotic. Next time try widening your point of view rather than striking down someone who has a point.

There's a fair few ways to also prove the 8150 beats a 2500k. ANYTHING made by autodesk hates hyperthreading, so anyone in that field would use amd.

The OP is clearly asking what cpu is better when it comes to performance, he's not asking about the price, only the performance.
Read the OP's posts before you argue, mmmkay?
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Is there anything out currently better?
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8 core 4 module.Yup.

There is better. Much better. 6-core Intel's. They trump the 8-core AMDs by a LOT.

In no way cost efficient though. (Just to be clear all you will never get me to deny intel is better, just I'm a common man with no cash to spare. I sale sniped every part in my rig biggrin.gif)

This is not even your thread, but you keep on rejecting our reply to the thread starter.
Look at the thread title and the original post, it's just simply asking if there are any cpu that is better than an 8 core BD, and yes there are,

2500k cost equal or lesser than 8150 wich is the top of the line cpu of amd, but their performance are just about equal on multi threading, but 2500k owns the 8150 when it comes to gaming, it also consumes less electricity.

Then there is this 2600k which beats the top of the line cpu of amd in every aspect.
I'm not even gonna talk about the six core processors of intel, that is overkill compared to amd's 8 core cpu

Again, this thread is just about a cpu that is better than 8 core BD. The op even said that "i thought 8 core is better?" Performance is not just about cores and clock speed, there is something more to it.

And the term better is not always about performance. I've never disputed BD is bad, but faithfully worshipping intel is idiotic. Next time try widening your point of view rather than striking down someone who has a point.

There's a fair few ways to also prove the 8150 beats a 2500k. ANYTHING made by autodesk hates hyperthreading, so anyone in that field would use amd.

The OP is clearly asking what cpu is better when it comes to performance, he's not asking about the price, only the performance.
Read the OP's post before you argue, mmmkay?

Uhm...
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Is there anything out currently better?

doh.gif go away and learn to let go. You can interpret the OP as you will, just as I will, but come on, quashing someone elses opinion just cause they disagree with you? Fankid or stubborn and close minded ? biggrin.gif
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Read op's POSTS! he is the thread starter, hes the one whos asking question, im just stayin on topic.
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Originally Posted by fullomega View Post

wow really? i thought 8 core architecture is superior?

Now tell me, do you honestly think that he is asking about the price? Or the performance? You are the one who needs dto go away, bro.
Edited by ghostrider85 - 3/6/12 at 5:37pm
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