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Yes I can. He said that these cards aren't really impressive over the 500 series. Regardless if they're impressive because of 28nm, they're still impressive.
Didn't you just say in another thread that the 7000 series is a failure? confused.gif

Nope. It was someone taking my analogy of an opinion out of context about why I didn't belive AMD wouldn't be releasing the 8000 series before December and if they had it would be a failure.

Not the series itself but putting out another series when one hasnt even completed releasing.

I hate it when some one reads a post and puts a spin on whats being said to scew the intention of a point.
As for the pricing the link is proof of what one can pick up a 570 & 580 for, wasn't doing averages.
     
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When the price comes down to $250, the ati 7870 will sell like hotcakes. Seems to overclock quite well too.
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Well by that logic fermi should have had a lower power consumption than their 65nm 2xx series since it was on 40nm, but we all know how that one turned out.
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Yeah but this is not adding performance over HD 6970. Fermi added huge perfection over GTX2XX. Completely different.
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Nope. It was someone taking my analogy of an opinion out of context about why I didn't belive AMD wouldn't be releasing the 8000 series before December and if they had it would be a failure.
I hate it when some one reads a post and puts a spin on whats being said to scew the intention of a point.
As for the pricing the link is proof of what one can pick up a 570 & 580 for, wasn't doing averages.

Your entire first paragraph of the post was about how screwed up the 7000 series cards are.

And I think pricing should be measured by an average, not outliers. Granted the 570 wasn't that much of one.
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Yeah but this is not adding performance over HD 6970. Fermi added huge perfection over GTX2XX. Completely different.

In some cases, Pitcairn outperforms Cayman by a lot. Granted, these high gains are rare.

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In some cases, it outperformed the 7970!

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Although, I think that's a combination of a very niche scenario where heavy bottlenecking on tessellation plays in the 7870's favor with higher clocks (it has the same geometry engine count as the 7970) and TPU being TPU and not having consistent drivers on all the 7xxx cards they tested.
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Your entire first paragraph of the post was about how screwed up the 7000 series cards are.
And I think pricing should be measured by an average, not outliers. Granted the 570 wasn't that much of one.

What I pointed out real problems that have to be ironed out before moving on to another series. All of which are true if you've been following the 7970 & 7950 thread. All can be attributed to new fabrication cards and series. All that will be addressed and why if they moved on to a new series before fixing the cuurent issues would be a mistake and AMD would lose consumer confidence.

Sorry if shedding light on whats wrong didn't sit well with you. I just pointed out facts. Still think the perfomance gains when working are great.

As for that other thread in the Hardware News section, it was moved to the Rumors area by a moderator because that released article was not factual and was a rumor to begin with.

I also don't think it's the appropriate place to talk off topic on this thread.
     
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Not sure why everyone is so surprised that AMD is now pricing their GPU's at a higher price. It boils down to market share vs profit margins and when/how much to price a product to maximize one or the other. During the glory days of the 4/5K series, AMD was in much need of gaining market share, so they priced their cards low to maximize market share at the expense of a lower profit margin. Now that they have all but reached parity or maybe even surpassed in the discrete market share, they are back to playing the max profit margin game and competing head on with NV with prices. It isn't a coincidence that a given tier of cards have slowly went up in price as their market share slowly climbed along side it in the GPU division. Add in more expensive fabrication(per wafer price increases), lower yields, R&D for new Arch, and delay in rivals competition and you have your reason for the current prices.
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After what they did with the 6000 series I wonder if we'll see a 7890, although it would probably outperform the 7950.

Two of these will remind me of my cf 5770 days. Although still waiting on kepler too .
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