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I guess that you all are missing something. A simple fact that older series were not priced like mad. 5870 started at 300%, 6970 started with 370$. Now we are getting blasted with some mad 550$ for 7970. Simply why so high? What happend? Silicon became super expensive or what? Nvidia is following that price increase madness as well. 7800 is nothing more but just equivalent of older 6900 in terms of performance and price, while it should bring the performance of 6900 for the price of 6800 (atleast that how it was before and it worked for both amd and nvidia). Now we are getting a MID RANGE CARD FOR THE PRICE OF OLDER HIGH END. Where is progress?? One day we may end with 1000$ for simple mid end card if market will hold to that kind of bs.
Edited by prznar1 - 3/4/12 at 11:43pm
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nVidia isn't "following" AMD's price increase, it's the other way around.
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Originally Posted by prznar1 View Post

I guess that you all are missing something. A simple fact that older series were not priced like mad. 5870 started at 300%, 6970 started with 370$. Now we are getting blasted with some mad 550$ for 7970. Simply why so high? What happend? Silicon became super expensive or what? Nvidia is following that price increase madness as well. 7800 is nothing more but just equivalent of older 6900 in terms of performance and price, while it should bring the performance of 6900 for the price of 6800 (atleast that how it was before and it worked for both amd and nvidia). MID RANGE CARD FOR THE PRICE OF OLDER HIGH END. Where is progress?? One day we may end with 1000$ for simple mid end card if market will hold to that kind of bs.

If people are willing to pay $1000 then it is what it is. But we both know they won't sell at that price so it'll never happen.

$550 is a result of
1. no competition
2. 28nm wafers being booked out (TSMC has confirmed this) and thus more expensive

They're still selling though so it doesnt seem like its to much to ask for the card, especially seeing as the 3GB GTX 580 is at a similar price and is a worse card. AMD aren't a charity, they'll charge what people will pay. If its to much for you then buy a cheaper card instead.
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sorry but you are looking only at the performance gain. what about performance per dollar? jumping from 5770 to 6850 would give you 40% performance increase with 80% (2 to 1 ratio) increase with price, but jumping on the 7850 would give you 100% performance increase for 300% increase in price (3 to 1 ratio). your call what is better.

Price:performance is best graphed on an exponential plot. Anyways it's beeeeeen decided. If Nvidia magically comes out with a 130W TDP card with as good/better performance for the same/lower price before June, I might go with that. Anyways I'm not too concerned with performance/$. $160 on a HAWK 5770 when GTX 460's were the same price screams the exact opposite. More of an efficiency guy. 7850 and i5-3570k for a total TDP of 200W (actual usage, 150W estimated) sounds perfect to me. And I might even get an expensive motherboard, only use a single GPU, and not push the clocks much. I'm that guy, sorry. And I'm not trolling.
 
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nVidia isn't "following" AMD's price increase, it's the other way around.

Who cares about who started that, it just looks stupid. I know that AMD and Nvidia are not charity companies, and there is no way im saying something like that, im just asking what is going on? And i will not belive that all wafers being sold out means major price increase or the "no competition" story, sry but those prices are just crazy. Never seen something like that in video cards.
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Who cares about who started that, it just looks stupid. I know that AMD and Nvidia are not charity companies, and there is no way im saying something like that, im just asking what is going on? And i will not belive that all wafers being sold out means major price increase or the "no competition" story, sry but those prices are just crazy. Never seen something like that in video cards.

Are you kidding?

Before the 4870 came out, most flagship single-GPU cards went for ~$650.
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Who cares about who started that, it just looks stupid. I know that AMD and Nvidia are not charity companies, and there is no way im saying something like that, im just asking what is going on? And i will not belive that all wafers being sold out means major price increase or the "no competition" story, sry but those prices are just crazy. Never seen something like that in video cards.

The GTX 580 was priced like that. And it held its value for over a year. How could this possibly be anything new lol
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dont bother me with that 2131245215xAA crap...

And dont bother ocn with your ignorance? Your card doesn't have enough power to play 60fps average then experience vram limiting spikes unless you trifire.
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Well I will be holding off till the HD 8870 for sure now! HD 7970 performance for a lower price with the way this is looking. I'll try and keep using my HD 4850 for now. its definately starting to show its age
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A 6970 can dip as low as 30fps in BF3 at High settings (not Ultra) with no AA at 1080p. I sure as hell wouldn't want a 6800 for that.
Also I don't think the 7870 has terrible price/performance seeing as after overclocking it'd easily match an overclocked GTX 580 for $100+ less. Maybe I'm being to logical or something

I can confirm this is untrue.

MSI afterburner would read me between 35 and 50 on ULTRA(including AA) with a 6970 paired with an AMD 1100T

MSI afternburner NOW reads me 60frames constant with vsync on ULTRA (including AA) with a 6970 paired with a 2600k. The processor seems to make all the difference.
 
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