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post #41 of 53
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Originally Posted by PhilWrir View Post

So far I think this is the best bet for covering all the bases.

Theres even room to fit the 6670 $55 AMIR into the budget now for hybrid crossfire

Should run those games real nice thumb.gif

Also OP, sign up for shoprunner for 30 day free trial if you dont already have one. Just cancel before the trial ends.
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post #42 of 53
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Originally Posted by DireLeon2010 View Post

The 960T would be my recommendation. You might want to grab a AM3+ mobo for upgradability tho. If the 6770 is like the 5770, its great. I can max out FO:NV on mine. Not sure yet about reall high end games.
I own one of these. Its a nice case for the price.
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post #43 of 53
Gigabyte 890FX UD5 / AMD Phenom II 925 X4 - $100
This is a GREAT deal. The motherborad, while not the tippy top, is a solid performer and overclocker and that CPU is a good one too.

EVGA GTS 450 1 GB - $80
Not a huge powerhouse of a card I run my SWTOR at an average of 45-50fps on my sig rig with the Asus model. Should be ample for now I would think.

Western Digital Caviar Black 500GB - $60
You won't find a better price on these right now.

Corsair TX750 - $60+shipping
Older, non-modular model but still a good quality PSU.

Arctic Cooling Freezer 13 CPU Cooler - $27
Solid performer from the reviews I have seen and at a good price. Its has Carbon Fiber Film Mod.

Samsung 2x4GB DDR3 30nm Desktop Memory, highly overclockable - $45
Look to be pretty good performance wise. Not the prettiest without Heatsinks but performance before looks IMO

Total Above is $372 before any shipping and additional things like Keyboard, Mouse, Monitor, OS, and Case

I left case decision up to the buyer. I love my HAF case. But not everyone likes that look. I figured I would leave it for you to decide what you want your case to look like.
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post #44 of 53
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Originally Posted by Erick Silver View Post

Gigabyte 890FX UD5 / AMD Phenom II 925 X4 - $100
This is a GREAT deal. The motherborad, while not the tippy top, is a solid performer and overclocker and that CPU is a good one too.
EVGA GTS 450 1 GB - $80
Not a huge powerhouse of a card I run my SWTOR at an average of 45-50fps on my sig rig with the Asus model. Should be ample for now I would think.
Western Digital Caviar Black 500GB - $60
You won't find a better price on these right now.
Corsair TX750 - $60+shipping
Older, non-modular model but still a good quality PSU.
Arctic Cooling Freezer 13 CPU Cooler - $27
Solid performer from the reviews I have seen and at a good price. Its has Carbon Fiber Film Mod.
Samsung 2x4GB DDR3 30nm Desktop Memory, highly overclockable - $45
Look to be pretty good performance wise. Not the prettiest without Heatsinks but performance before looks IMO
Total Above is $372 before any shipping and additional things like Keyboard, Mouse, Monitor, OS, and Case
I left case decision up to the buyer. I love my HAF case. But not everyone likes that look. I figured I would leave it for you to decide what you want your case to look like.

nicely done! thumb.gif
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post #45 of 53
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Originally Posted by Erick Silver View Post

Gigabyte 890FX UD5 / AMD Phenom II 925 X4 - $100
This is a GREAT deal. The motherborad, while not the tippy top, is a solid performer and overclocker and that CPU is a good one too.
EVGA GTS 450 1 GB - $80
Not a huge powerhouse of a card I run my SWTOR at an average of 45-50fps on my sig rig with the Asus model. Should be ample for now I would think.
Western Digital Caviar Black 500GB - $60
You won't find a better price on these right now.
Corsair TX750 - $60+shipping
Older, non-modular model but still a good quality PSU.
Arctic Cooling Freezer 13 CPU Cooler - $27
Solid performer from the reviews I have seen and at a good price. Its has Carbon Fiber Film Mod.
Samsung 2x4GB DDR3 30nm Desktop Memory, highly overclockable - $45
Look to be pretty good performance wise. Not the prettiest without Heatsinks but performance before looks IMO
Total Above is $372 before any shipping and additional things like Keyboard, Mouse, Monitor, OS, and Case
I left case decision up to the buyer. I love my HAF case. But not everyone likes that look. I figured I would leave it for you to decide what you want your case to look like.

Very nice!

Steve isnt on his computer a whole lot right now, but I shot him a message letting him know we have found a solution and that I can help with other stuff.
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post #46 of 53
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Philwrir is my go to guy for computer stuff. I did want to thank everybody for your opinions though. You've all given me a great direction to get started in and start building a decent gaming pc.
post #47 of 53
Well I was thinking that Phil would POSSIBLY have a loose keyboard and mouse laying about. Maybe even a 19"LCD or the like for you to borrow for a bit. Friends are like that sometimes. thumb.gif I hope what I managed to dig up was what you were looking for. I know that the GPU was particularly weak in that build but I think it was ample. The HDD, RAM, and mobo/cpu combo are strong points
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Lightscribe DVD/RW Cooler Master Hyper 212+ in Push/Pull Windows 10 Pro 64 bit Phillips 32" LCD Flatscreen @ 1920x1080 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Ducky DK1008 w/ Cherry MX Bkack Switches Corsair CX750M HAF 922 Custom Painted Logitech G502 Proteus Core 
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Ratpadz XT EACH G2000 Lamptron FC6 Fan Controller 
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>>320GB with a 1TB External<< >>DVD/RW<< Xigmatek Dark Night  >>Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit<< 
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Lightscribe DVD/RW Cooler Master Hyper 212+ in Push/Pull Windows 10 Pro 64 bit Phillips 32" LCD Flatscreen @ 1920x1080 
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Ducky DK1008 w/ Cherry MX Bkack Switches Corsair CX750M HAF 922 Custom Painted Logitech G502 Proteus Core 
Mouse PadAudioOther
Ratpadz XT EACH G2000 Lamptron FC6 Fan Controller 
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AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz ASUS M4A79T Deluxe AM3 Asus R7 260X OC 2GB G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DD... 
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>>320GB with a 1TB External<< >>DVD/RW<< Xigmatek Dark Night  >>Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit<< 
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post #48 of 53
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Originally Posted by Erick Silver View Post

Well I was thinking that Phil would POSSIBLY have a loose keyboard and mouse laying about. Maybe even a 19"LCD or the like for you to borrow for a bit. Friends are like that sometimes. thumb.gif I hope what I managed to dig up was what you were looking for. I know that the GPU was particularly weak in that build but I think it was ample. The HDD, RAM, and mobo/cpu combo are strong points

I wish I had a spare Monitor or mouse.
I know I have an old Backlit iRocks Keyboard though.
This one, to be exact.

Im happy to ship it up to Logan if I need to. smile.gif
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post #49 of 53
How is the quality of that keyboard? I have been looking for a Red Backlit keyboard to go with my Red Case lighting. I love my Lycosa but the blue lighting does not match my case.
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Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Lightscribe DVD/RW Cooler Master Hyper 212+ in Push/Pull Windows 10 Pro 64 bit Phillips 32" LCD Flatscreen @ 1920x1080 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Ducky DK1008 w/ Cherry MX Bkack Switches Corsair CX750M HAF 922 Custom Painted Logitech G502 Proteus Core 
Mouse PadAudioOther
Ratpadz XT EACH G2000 Lamptron FC6 Fan Controller 
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AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz ASUS M4A79T Deluxe AM3 Asus R7 260X OC 2GB G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DD... 
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>>320GB with a 1TB External<< >>DVD/RW<< Xigmatek Dark Night  >>Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit<< 
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Lightscribe DVD/RW Cooler Master Hyper 212+ in Push/Pull Windows 10 Pro 64 bit Phillips 32" LCD Flatscreen @ 1920x1080 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Ducky DK1008 w/ Cherry MX Bkack Switches Corsair CX750M HAF 922 Custom Painted Logitech G502 Proteus Core 
Mouse PadAudioOther
Ratpadz XT EACH G2000 Lamptron FC6 Fan Controller 
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AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz ASUS M4A79T Deluxe AM3 Asus R7 260X OC 2GB G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DD... 
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>>320GB with a 1TB External<< >>DVD/RW<< Xigmatek Dark Night  >>Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit<< 
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post #50 of 53
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Originally Posted by Erick Silver View Post

How is the quality of that keyboard? I have been looking for a Red Backlit keyboard to go with my Red Case lighting. I love my Lycosa but the blue lighting does not match my case.

It feels mushy at best, and the keys are a little cramped, but it works well overall.

I mean, for the price I paid, I am 100% satisfied.
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250GB Crucial MX200, 960GB Adata , 1TB WD Black Noctua NH-L12 LG 27UD68 4k Seasonic M12II 620W 
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