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I don't agree with it in either respective use and advocate neither.

Companies make a big deal out of not mixing business with pleasure, yet use our pleasure as a way of measuring whether we're up to standards for their business?

It's hard not to see the irony in that.

Facebook and other social sites are supposed to be something to do when we out of work, chill out time, and just in general socialising, not something for employers to check up on us when they feel ike it. It's a social networking site, not a CV.

I honestly would never give this sort of information to any employer who asked for it. Ever.




not whether we're up to their standards or not, but more of a liability issue. generally speaking, the more information you have about a given instance, the easier it is to make a more well-informed decision. If someone looks quite nice on the outside and seems to be friendly and agreeable, but has issues with drinking or drugs, they pose much more of a liability to a company than someone who does not. Then, your pleasure indeed affects the business in a negative way, impacting not just the individual but those around them. we're going to go around in circles here, because I clearly said before "i don't agree with this at all". I just said if I had to choose one or the other, I would choose employers over educators.
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A company has every right to ask for this information and you have every right to decline. It is not a breach of any privacy law (currently) to "ask" for this information.
Companies need any way possible to weed out potential employees. What some of you don't understand is that as a hiring manager I get literally thousands of applications/resume's for one position. How do I determine the best candidate, as quickly as possible?
First HR will go through the list and any resumes that indicate race, gender, religion or other personal information are tossed in the round file without further consideration. This is due to the potential for a lawsuit (you didn't hire me because I am a purple and yellow stripped female...)
Second, I would go through them and check for relevance (is a janitor applying for a chip design position). Those get round filed too.
Third, I would check experience (depending on the job requirements) and jobs. I save the ones that may not work now, but might in the future (I have almost 5k resumes on file).
From the rest of the stack I will round file resume's with blatant grammar issues and spelling errors.
Now, after sifting through 1000 resume's I am down to about 500 (usually more) so I need another way to weed out the candidates. My team and I will go through and toss out any other odd ones (like bright paper, odd fonts and gimmicky stuff (save that for your marketing job please)). From the rest, we will pick out top 20 candidates and do google searches on those. Any weird stuff shows up (like said binge drinking photo's) and they are gone too.
After said weeding is done, we will usually end up with about 20 "qualified" candidates. We usually weed out another 10-15 based off the phone interview and then more during the first interview. I have asked several people to go home, and change into something more work appropriate before the interview even starts. That is a big one. If you show up for an interview blatantly under dressed you will not get the job.
I will however never ask anyone to show me their FB page for kicks or as a condition of employment. We do run background and financial reports on anyone we are thinking of hiring.

Yeah, but when it's a given that not providing this information makes you unemployable there's a problem.

There's certain stuff that are relevant, such as age, address, previous experience and references and education. That's all you need for a job. They do not need your Facebook information and, again, they have no rights to ask for it and in doing so IS an invasion into someones privacy. Just try this: ask a random person for their facebook account information. That indignation they display? Yeah, that's you hurting their right to privacy and their being pissed at that.

Also, if more people stood up for themselves and spoke out against this it'd soon go away. If a company needs to know what kind of a person you are, then they have your references. If you don't have any references... welcome to your first time trying to get employed.
Edited by Rubers - 3/6/12 at 2:01pm
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post #103 of 176
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Cause if you are the type to leak company secrets via facebook then that is a problem. If you are the type to bad mouth everything your company does, then it's a problem. That is not to say there is anything wrong with whining. But if every other post you do is nothing but complaints, there is a good (not 100%) chance that that is how your work ethic is.

+1

I was talking with someone from another company recently about online presence. They had to fire one of their employees because of some Facebook posts he made badmouthing a certain prospective client. Somehow that prospective client saw this guy's posts, and then ironically when the prospective client came to their office their contact was this guy who was just badmouthing them! In the end no deal was made because this guy wasn't responsible with his online presence.

There seems to be a lot of paranoia in this thread. I can only speak for what my company does but it is not about controlling employees' personal lives, it's about vetting them before hiring to make sure they're responsible and trustworthy. If we're going to pay tens of thousands of dollars a year to have you we want to make sure it isn't a waste of our money!

What you see on Facebook is a much better indicator of who the person is and what their ethics are than their resume (I've seen so many resumes that were just flat-out lying, one applicant claimed to have taught Java classes at a university for several years and when I sat him down at a computer he couldn't even get a basic "Hello, World" Java program to compile).

And a lot of sentiment here on OCN is that your online presence doesn't matter and that's just plain wrong. If you're going to post anything that will hurt your job chances, make sure it's hidden, or better yet just don't post it at all because either you or someone else will probably mess up and let something out. When we have three dozen applicants for a position all with similar resumes and we can look some on Facebook and find one person who only talks about how much they like to drink and how hung over they always are and how they lied to their teachers about how they missed class because of a family funeral when they really were sick and hung over, well guess who's no longer being considered for the position!

I still don't advocate giving them your password. If my company asked me for my Facebook password I would definitely not give it to them. But it's silly to be angry and consider it a breach of privacy when a prospective employer wants to know more about you and looks up your publicly-available Facebook profile. If you're that immature then we don't want to hire you anyway.
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Then, your pleasure indeed affects the business in a negative way, impacting not just the individual but those around them.


No, it doesn't. It's assumed it will and there is a difference. You would simply be pre judging based on words and/or images on the internet.

 

And I understand your view on the matter, I'm simply stating my opinion on the subject in general using your opinions as a basis for my own thoughts.

 

 

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When we have three dozen applicants for a position all with similar resumes and we can look some on Facebook and find one person who only talks about how much they like to drink and how hung over they always are and how they lied to their teachers about how they missed class because of a family funeral when they really were sick and hung over, well guess who's no longer being considered for the position!

 

Long gone are the days when you are hired for being able to do the job, not what you get upto in life, eh?

 

Like some others have pointed out, it won't be long before people wise up and start making fake accounts. Making this screening proccess worthless anyway. You simply cannot judge someone over the internet as easily as that.

 


Edited by Lifeshield - 3/6/12 at 2:16pm
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+1
I was talking with someone from another company recently about online presence. They had to fire one of their employees because of some Facebook posts he made badmouthing a certain prospective client. Somehow that prospective client saw this guy's posts, and then ironically when the prospective client came to their office their contact was this guy who was just badmouthing them! In the end no deal was made because this guy wasn't responsible with his online presence.
There seems to be a lot of paranoia in this thread. I can only speak for what my company does but it is not about controlling employees' personal lives, it's about vetting them before hiring to make sure they're responsible and trustworthy. If we're going to pay tens of thousands of dollars a year to have you we want to make sure it isn't a waste of our money!
What you see on Facebook is a much better indicator of who the person is and what their ethics are than their resume (I've seen so many resumes that were just flat-out lying, one applicant claimed to have taught Java classes at a university for several years and when I sat him down at a computer he couldn't even get a basic "Hello, World" Java program to compile).
And a lot of sentiment here on OCN is that your online presence doesn't matter and that's just plain wrong. If you're going to post anything that will hurt your job chances, make sure it's hidden, or better yet just don't post it at all because either you or someone else will probably mess up and let something out. When we have three dozen applicants for a position all with similar resumes and we can look some on Facebook and find one person who only talks about how much they like to drink and how hung over they always are and how they lied to their teachers about how they missed class because of a family funeral when they really were sick and hung over, well guess who's no longer being considered for the position!
I still don't advocate giving them your password. If my company asked me for my Facebook password I would definitely not give it to them. But it's silly to be angry and consider it a breach of privacy when a prospective employer wants to know more about you and looks up your publicly-available Facebook profile. If you're that immature then we don't want to hire you anyway.

See, yeah if a potential employer wants to look at my public page they're quite within their rights to do that. It's public for a reason. But wanting your password IS a breach of privacy.

I can understand not wanting to hire someone who's trashed all the time, but at the same time, and this is much more important: Facebook is supposed to be private and personal. So if you want to admit you missed a class because you slept in you should be able to post that on your FB without thinking "oh no, potential employers might see this and think I'm lazy" just top by-pass all this you just strip them of the right to ask for this information.

There are many, MANY ways to vet these people without invading their private lifes. We managed fine BEFORE facebook and there's no need that it should be used now.




For me it's just invasive. A few years ago my company underpaid me majorly. I had a massive rant on Facebook about it and I felt much better afterwards, then from advice from my friends I was able to approach my boss correctly and explain the mistakes they'd made and I got back paid and a little extra for the inconvenience. Point is it was my right to rant and it was my right to keep that private. But any potential employer wouldn't have liked the language I'd used within my close circle of friends and that just isn't right.
Edited by Rubers - 3/6/12 at 2:13pm
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Your employer can ask to see your house and how you cook dinner if they want to. They can deem you unfit for their culture as long as they aren't being sexist or racist, etc.
In GA, they can also fire you without giving a reason.

no they can`t actually.. at least in canada


but then again proving that you werent hired because of said reasons is hard so making a case would be hard
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There are many, MANY ways to vet these people without invading their private lifes. We managed fine BEFORE facebook and there's no need that it should be used now.


I agree.

 

If you search for it and you see it, whatever. Not going to hand over the keys anytime soon though. thumb.gif

 

 

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[...]And a lot of sentiment here on OCN is that your online presence doesn't matter and that's just plain wrong. If you're going to post anything that will hurt your job chances, make sure it's hidden, or better yet just don't post it at all because either you or someone else will probably mess up and let something out. [...]

Define "anything that will hurt your job chances" please.

Any of these?

"Two weeks are finally up! Getting my HK45 today at lunch!"
"Pediatrician thinks it's leukemia. Not sure what we're going to do."
"Saw Stanhope at the Fringe Festival. Don't remember much after that."
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All public servants and Politicians should have their lives laid out in excruciating detail if employers are allowed to do this.

Public servants in law enforcement, medicine, and to a lesser degree teaching already do. Facebook content has already been admitted as evidence in court on numerous occasions.
    
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You can also claim invasion of privacy and or expect that your employer won't have any employees. This is not one sided as you are making it out to be.

The difference is that this is for applicants, not employees, and that there are far more people searching for jobs than there are jobs available. Employers don't generally have problems filling positions these days, so for every person that stands on their morals and refuses to give out credentials to a FB or similar account there are two people happy to oblige. I would just make a dumb account and have it available if someone asks. It's devoid of info about you anyway, so it doesn't play into anyone's hand. Let the civil rights people fight it, but I would absolutely not pass up a job opportunity in this market just because I wanted to make a civil rights statement.
    
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