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I have it running on my laptop actually. Metro apps have a minimum 1024x768 screen resolution, which makes having 2 or more windows open at the same time impossible on 99% of monitors out there. You can run apps side by side but its limited and doesn't work properly with most apps.
Microsoft is going out of their way to force users to run apps fullscreen. Add on the extremely limited multitasking in Metro and we have a huge problem. The entire OS mimics a mobile OS, and most mobile OSes are terrible at multitasking. The only decent ones are QNX and WebOS, which do a far better job than Windows 8.

As long as you can switch between apps quickly, and they keep running in the background, how much does that really limit multi tasking? You can't actually read to different things at the same time...
    
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I for one cannot wait until Windows 9 hits with metro completely removed because Windows 8 goes the way of Vista.
Metro UI on desktop? No, thank you!

I would sort of welcome this, because it would also clear the overhead in management that's driving this "All-in-one Jesus" OS idea.

This is like trying to build a car as compact and fuel efficient as a Polo with the top speed of a Bugatti Veyron Super Sport 16.4.

Ballmer himself declared that Metro is Microsoft's future...so if Metro goes, he will too.

I think if Metro fails on the PC, Windows 8 will just turn into Windows Mobile under some other branding and stay on phones and tablets and what not. MS won't totally bail on that big of an investment. They'll cannibalize it somehow and morph it.
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As long as you can switch between apps quickly, and they keep running in the background, how much does that really limit multi tasking? You can't actually read to different things at the same time...

Honestly? I tile windows many times every day... and I'm not even in college any more. For certain projects it was essentially a requirement to either print off one section of what you're working on or display more than one window at a time. I used to specifically leave class and go home because I had more screen real estate (had a 1920x1200 panel at the time).

If full screen is indefinitely forced upon us, I'll be avoiding W8 like the plague for my personal use (along with most workplaces, mine included).


EDIT: I get chills thinking of those with 2560x1440 or larger resolution panels. What an incredible waste of space it would be using that for a single application.
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As long as you can switch between apps quickly, and they keep running in the background, how much does that really limit multi tasking? You can't actually read to different things at the same time...

If you're using one window to reference another, it takes maybe 10ms for your eye to move back and forth between the two windows. Say this occurs 15 times/minute. That's a 150 ms lag time, which is negligible. Using a bulky task switching mechanism like Metro employs that delay will be closer to 2 seconds, probably more since you're losing your reference points to the senseless eyecandy. That's 30 seconds of lag time, so what takes a minute in Windows 7 will take 1.5 minutes in Windows 8. That's a massive decrease in efficiency. Its also the same reason I hate Gnome 3. Its not even taking into account touch typing. Want to look at one window while typing in another? You can't in Windows 8.
    
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I love windows 7

I have a feeling this will be on my machine for a long, long time.

I am going to boycott the crap out of windows 8.

besides most of us have paid good money for windows 7, why the hell would we pay to downgrade.

There will be a ton of dell hp and acer etc desktops and tablets hitting the shelfs with windows 8 though, thats how they will make their money on it.

Wow, I hope computers don't get taken over in the future by tablets and ipads and that crap.

Next thing we know there will be an all in one machine, that you can use as a phone or computer, or you can plug it into your tv and use it as a console, and it will have a extremely dumbed down interface so grandpa and grandpa can use it... frown.gif
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Well, at least it is sweet for tablets...
    
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If you're using one window to reference another, it takes maybe 10ms for your eye to move back and forth between the two windows. Say this occurs 15 times/minute. That's a 150 ms lag time, which is negligible. Using a bulky task switching mechanism like Metro employs that delay will be closer to 2 seconds, probably more since you're losing your reference points to the senseless eyecandy. That's 30 seconds of lag time, so what takes a minute in Windows 7 will take 1.5 minutes in Windows 8. That's a massive decrease in efficiency. Its also the same reason I hate Gnome 3. Its not even taking into account touch typing. Want to look at one window while typing in another? You can't in Windows 8.

QFT

I basically do this all day long. have a drawing open on one screen, writing an RFQ on the other. My left alt and tab keys have craters worn into them.....

no large corporation is going to go for this for the reasons mentioned throughout this thread & more
    
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I think linux market shares will rocket if win8 is forced down consumers throats.
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Microsoft, do tell how you think people will be able to work harder, faster, and better in your new OS if you remove any semblance of multi-tasking capabilities from it? I don't see the ability to have three windows open at a time being a source of distraction--it's an easy way for me to work in and view three Excel spreadsheets simultaneously so i don't have to toggle through each one when I need to view it.

It seems like MS is really screwing the pooch with marketing these days, what with this and their sad marketing of the windows phone (which has true potential).
    
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I think linux market shares will rocket if win8 is forced down consumers throats.

I've mentioned this to co-workers. They balk at the idea.

I tell them...end users might go with it more readily...however, commercial interests will look at Linux and/or Mac and/or staying with an antiquated OS.

Personally, I would say stay this:

If your operation finds Windows8 not to be an option, then stick with XP, Vista, or 7 as long as you can. Do a study of all your Windows-based apps. Find out what will run under Linux using WINE, find out what has a web-based alternative, and look at what has a Mac alternative.

At that point, you can take a direction.
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