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Looks like Windows actually will be a games-only OS for me in the future. Xfce and KDE are the only sane UIs left.
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I don't think linux usage will change if win 8 is shoved down consumers throats--they'll just stay on windows 7. Heck, windows XP is STILL the primary OS of choice for most businesses (slowly changing). I don't think win 8 will have any effect on desktop users choosing linux.
    
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Well fire him, he obviously doesn't know what he is talking about!

I mean just use the OS for 3 hours and your stress and frustration level will be enough to convince you otherwise!

/rant


Why do I get this eerie feeling that Microsoft has ill intentions with this OS?
Edited by _GTech - 3/6/12 at 12:17pm
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Well fire him, he obviously doesn't know what he is talking about!
I mean just use the OS for 3 hours and your stress and frustration level will be enough to convince you otherwise!
/rant
Why do I get this eerie feeling that Microsoft has ill intentions with this OS?

I get the same feeling. Considering what they are doing, I think these are the possible reasons:

a) They want to get more of a foothold in the mobile market, seeing as how right now they have practically none.
b) Developing OS and partnering on hardware means they will gain more patent holdings and be able to leverage that even further
c) Having one core to an OS for multiple platforms means, less programming staff, less design staff, less support staff, less project management, etc. It increases profitability and that drives up stock value and hence upper management's stock wealth and bonuses.
d) Microsoft needed to "reimagine" things because they have been seen now for years as going stale compared to the likes of Apple.

I have the feeling, this is the next move to eliminate white collar jobs at MS too in the states. First, it was call centers. Then, cloud computing moved IT shop jobs overseas. Now, the development teams needed here will get reduced and projects that can be shipped off to India and China will be.

It just doesn't seem right. Dumbing down use of the PC to accommodate the social masses is not a smart move.
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Ha! In migrating to Windows 7 in our office I had plenty of people complaining about the subtle changes from XP. No way in hell I would put a Metro desktop in front of half of these people.
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I get the same feeling. Considering what they are doing, I think these are the possible reasons:
a) They want to get more of a foothold in the mobile market, seeing as how right now they have practically none.
b) Developing OS and partnering on hardware means they will gain more patent holdings and be able to leverage that even further
c) Having one core to an OS for multiple platforms means, less programming staff, less design staff, less support staff, less project management, etc. It increases profitability and that drives up stock value and hence upper management's stock wealth and bonuses.
d) Microsoft needed to "reimagine" things because they have been seen now for years as going stale compared to the likes of Apple.
I have the feeling, this is the next move to eliminate white collar jobs at MS too in the states. First, it was call centers. Then, cloud computing moved IT shop jobs overseas. Now, the development teams needed here will get reduced and projects that can be shipped off to India and China will be.
It just doesn't seem right. Dumbing down use of the PC to accommodate the social masses is not a smart move.
According to my viewpoint and your viewpoint. However, from a business perspective where the only goal is to maximize profits it actually is a very smart move. Single code-base and/or unified platform is much easier and less expensive to maintain and develop on than the alternative.

For the record, I do not agree with any of the Metro UI changes that are being forced. However, Start8 is out so if Micro$oft wants to force Metro UI on us it's more business for smaller developers to move to the forefront and sell their services which many business and users will need to retain reasonable productivity.
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I too am still bewildered by Microsoft's strategy with Windows 8. I mean, what are their plans ?

1. Keep bluffing until Windows 8 is finally released with a start menu option on the desktop, but in the meantime hailing it as the best thing since sliced bread so people are actually forced to consider it and be aware of how tablets and smartphones will work ?;

2. Keep Metro as the only interface for Windows 8 on the desktop because Microsoft can actually take the hit ? They know most people jump an OS generation, like people who jumped Windows ME and went from Windows 98 / 98 SE to XP and those who skipped Vista and went to 7, so they can screw up all they want with 8 and then release 9 as the next best thing. This actually seems to be the way Microsoft works. Introduce big changes that are not properly consolidated every other OS (ME, Vista, 8), and then release a polished product (XP, 7), that has a well defined concept and in the case of 7, worked marvelously even in the Beta form.

I can't help thinking that Microsoft, while appearing to be innovative, is actually making exactly the same mistakes as before. Windows Mobile wasn't popular. Why ? Because it resembled a desktop OS. You had to use a stylus to browse and configure the OS properly, and now they are trying to do the opposite, by sacrificing the desktop OS in favor of streamlining two completely different computing concepts that cannot be streamlined like that.

In all honesty, this time it seems more surreal than ever. Microsoft is acting a bit mad, if not desperate really. I hope they get a reality check soon. On the one hand they are acting a bit arrongant, but on the other they are still calling this consumer oriented release a "Preview" and not a Beta, so there might be some hope they actually change their ways this time around.

Some people are saying that change always brings people who want everything to stay the same. I beg to differ. I upgraded to Windows 95 Final Beta Release months before it was released and I couldn't go back to Windows 3.1; I started using Windows 7 Beta and then the RC in a dual boot configuration on my desktop, and it felt like a breath of fresh air compared to my laptop that runs Vista; and then I installed the Developer Preview and literally got irritated with that thing. You can't just shoehorn a concept like that onto the desktop, then make a myriad of changes between the Developer Preview and the Consumer Preview and yet still act like you have a well defined idea of an all-in-one concept that you are going to force down everbodys throats that have to buy a new computer, when it's obvious you don't really know where this Metro thing is going.

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Quite a few opinions I've read seem to point to the fact that there is a learning curve, but it isn't slower in efficiency compared to Win 7 at all, once you reach familiarity with the new UI. Not only is it at least as efficient, but the base OS itself seems to run benchmarks and games quicker too, which is something everyone here spends hundreds on. What I'm seeing here is people are seeing something new and screaming "OMG its different kill it!" It's human nature.

I love Windows 8's internals, but at what cost ?
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I think the major issue most people have with the Metro UI is that there is no way to turn it off. Sure, you can run an app that sorta looks like a desktop, but from what I've read, there is no way to have it appear at boot, and even when you get into the application, it doesn't actually function like windows has up until now.
I think it's less that people are resistant to change [which is true] and more that people are indignant at having change forced down their throats.
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I have it running on my laptop actually. Metro apps have a minimum 1024x768 screen resolution, which makes having 2 or more windows open at the same time impossible on 99% of monitors out there. You can run apps side by side but its limited and doesn't work properly with most apps.
Microsoft is going out of their way to force users to run apps fullscreen. Add on the extremely limited multitasking in Metro and we have a huge problem. The entire OS mimics a mobile OS, and most mobile OSes are terrible at multitasking. The only decent ones are QNX and WebOS, which do a far better job than Windows 8.

Yes!
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If you're using one window to reference another, it takes maybe 10ms for your eye to move back and forth between the two windows. Say this occurs 15 times/minute. That's a 150 ms lag time, which is negligible. Using a bulky task switching mechanism like Metro employs that delay will be closer to 2 seconds, probably more since you're losing your reference points to the senseless eyecandy. That's 30 seconds of lag time, so what takes a minute in Windows 7 will take 1.5 minutes in Windows 8. That's a massive decrease in efficiency. Its also the same reason I hate Gnome 3. Its not even taking into account touch typing. Want to look at one window while typing in another? You can't in Windows 8.

And yes again !
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I get the same feeling. Considering what they are doing, I think these are the possible reasons:
a) They want to get more of a foothold in the mobile market, seeing as how right now they have practically none.
b) Developing OS and partnering on hardware means they will gain more patent holdings and be able to leverage that even further
c) Having one core to an OS for multiple platforms means, less programming staff, less design staff, less support staff, less project management, etc. It increases profitability and that drives up stock value and hence upper management's stock wealth and bonuses.
d) Microsoft needed to "reimagine" things because they have been seen now for years as going stale compared to the likes of Apple.
I have the feeling, this is the next move to eliminate white collar jobs at MS too in the states. First, it was call centers. Then, cloud computing moved IT shop jobs overseas. Now, the development teams needed here will get reduced and projects that can be shipped off to India and China will be.
It just doesn't seem right. Dumbing down use of the PC to accommodate the social masses is not a smart move.

Microsoft is not even trying to behave like Apple, they suddenly appear as if they think they are trying to behave like Apple with a desperate "oh my god, we can't lose the mobile race" and keep doing silly things. It does really look a bit surreal on the desktop, really, they are forgetting what a desktop OS is all about, and why Windows is so popular.
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Microsoft is going out of their way to force users to run apps fullscreen.

Which is a shame for larger screens, since many applications benefit little from the extra real estate. For example, most websites don't scale to the width of the browser window (for good reason; it's hard to fill that much space with content and have it scale nicely), so you effectively throw away half of a typical 24" monitor's width with a full screen browser window. It's not just inefficient, it's a downright waste.

Personally I have to switch applications enough already. I often run 10 or more application windows simultaneously across two 24" monitors, one of which I sometimes have in portrait orientation.
    
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I have about 15 hours into the consumer preview and I have one thought: Metro doesn't belong on anything but tablets. Windows 8 seems like two OSes (Windows Metro and Windows 7.5) slapped together and crippled in the process. The lack of cohesion is astonishing. How could something this disjunt make it out of Microsoft's labs??
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I think it's a move to push us all over to TOUCH. Is it possible that Microsoft foresees us using touch UI instead.



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