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Hi Folks, a few weeks back a number of you helped me out in picking out a mobo to handle the AMD Phenom IIX4 965 C3. I also was wanting it to be able to handle a future Piledriver but that really was still just a 'uncertain thought'.

There were many suggestions but in the end, (and working with a $120. budget), I went with the ASUS M5A97 EVO. Well I put it in 36 hours ago and I have to believe that it's bad. ASUS CS had nothing special to say, (pull out one mem stick and try again), and I'm losing my butt in money and time without my "big" computer running.

I tried ASUS's suggestions and told them that I can't even get into "Windows Safe mode". They tried to help there too but no-go. So the board's going back and I'm looking at some others. I want a 6+2 phase or better and I'll cap the money at $185.00. It needs to handle my 965BE C3 and maybe a future Piledriver, (not sure on that yet). But let’s say it's just for the 965 for now.

I have this problem with programs that come with hardware that don't give the user a choice in using it or not. That ASUS UEFI program aggravated me and I couldn't get it to just stop running. That may be a symptom of the main problem but anyway, I was looking at a GA 990FX or that next one up.

I haven’t checked out the specs yet, (Phasing, chipset etc), but I also won't write off the Sabbertooth. I just don't like that ASUS UEFI program and maybe I can override it if the board is a good one. I want to continue to use my AMD AOD program because I understand it and it is that program that was running my CPU when I last shut down the computer to change the mobos.

In fact, I'm wondering if it's possible that the AOD program is conflicting with the UEFI program! Those AOD and ATI CCC programs were running the show before, can that be the problem?

If so, do I have to reinstall my old mobo and then turn off those programs before trying to install a knew mobo?

Thanks everybody. I don't know if I'll get any answers on this but I can only wait a few hours, (2 or 3), because I'm getting a new board through Overnight mail to have it here tomorrow. If I wait too long, that option will no longer exist. So that's the deal.
Thanks
post #2 of 10
I have a 990FXA-UD3 and haven't had any problems, so count that as a vote for the new board I guess, although the Sabertooth (both AM3 and AM3+) is a very good board.

UEFI isn't a "Asus Program", UEFI is your BIOS, so good luck with that. Gigabyte is, for better or worse, still on the old menu style BIOS.

If CCC and AOD are conflicting with it you're in a hell of a lot more trouble then you think. (They aren't, by the way, since UEFI isn't a windows program)
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Thank you KyadCK!! First I'd like to know if you can tell me what Phase your 990FX is. The M5A97 EVO is a 6+2 and I don't want to get lower than that.

Then there's this ASUS program that Controls that UEFI system. I don't know much about ASUS but this program that opens when you install their mobo is definitely theirs.

I can't get into the "regular Bios' that I was use to seeing when I had that stock HP board in. Is that because the BIOS control I'm 'used to seeing' is an HP thing and not the standard BIOS screens that I often see in many of the blogs?

Anyway, if I said I'm giving away a brand new mobo, one is the GA 990FX and the other is that Sabbertooth, which would you take?
Thanks for answering so fast. So far, it looks like your vote for the GA is the only vote. I only have a little time left so I'm going to go with the board that has the highest Phase ratings.

I just need to look those up and I noticed that it doesn't always show up in the specs. So it makes it a little time consuming.
Thanks again
post #4 of 10
This is your new bestest friend for AMD boards wink.gif

990FXA-UD3 is 8+2, Sabertooth (990FX) is also 8+2

I prefer Gigabyte, mostly because of the strong PCB and dual-bios. On the other hand, Asus is the better overclocker and has tri-fire/tri-SLI support. Both have at least x16/x16, so multi-gpu solutions are easy.

If you want the old "blue background, use the arrow keys to move and change stuff" BIOS, then you'll have to go Gigabyte as they decided against UEFI for this gen of boards. UEFI is just the new bios, not a program overlay. There is no old-style bios on the Asus boards.

Sabertooth spec sheet
990FXA-UD3 spec sheet
UEFI information
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Thanks KyadCK, Yes, the M5A97 EVO has a 16x4, (crossfire only). Well, I just don't know... I mean, I want to overclock but I'm having one hell of a bad time with this UEFI thing. Everything is booting up, all the red lights turn off after POST and everybody looks happy... but nothing.

But there's all these settings in the "EZ MODE" that get turned on or off and I don't know what half of them mean, (interrupt 19.. what!?). In addition, I put in 2 sticks of 2x4 Corsair vengence low pro that are rated at 1666MHz but this new UEFI sees them as 1333 MHz... what the hell?!

Later on, I tried it in the advanced mode and enabled everything that I could understand as far as memory and CPU/GPU adjustablility, and after I ran it that way I noticed that it saw the mamoty as 1467MHz, (something like that), and then the same old results; Windows Start LOGO, then a quick 'flash' of something on the screen like it was going to try to get to open, and then back to the "Launch Windows Repair or Start windows Normally" screen.

It asks me if I want to let it restore to a previous staet but there is no previous state to go to:mad:

I have to guess the board's bad. Besides, I can't even boot up in a Safe Mode! I'm guessing that the GA 990FX UD3, or maybe the UD5 will allow me the ability to start in safe mode... Will it? If it will let me see and get into that good ol' fashion' Safe Mode, then I'm going GA. So will it let me do that?
Thanks
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A quick thing to check: switch your SATA mode between IDE and ACHI. Windows doesn't like it when these settings change from what it was installed on most of the time, and if this is messed up then windows will fail boot on loading the hdd drivers every single time. This is a somewhat common problem when using a new MB that the OS wasn't installed on.




As for ability to boot into safe mode, if its the MB, then ya, any new board should fix it. If not, then no.

Ram rated above 1333 9-9-9-24 must be set manually, or by SPD profile. Why? Because JEDEC is the 'standard' and stops at 1333, and SPD (the >1333 standard) isn't really recognized right off the bat. (this is stupid, blame the MB makers, FCC, whoever else in involved in standard setting)
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On the UEFI issue it wont be long and its all there will be. the BIOS you are use to is on its way out the door. UEFI is the BIOS.

If you can get use to the UEFI and how nice and easy it is to use the Sabertooth 990fx is a great board 8+2 digi vrm, and you can find it on sale from time to time for $150.
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post #8 of 10
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I"LL BE DAMNED!!!!!!!!thumb.gif Man, you hit it right on the HEAD!! I switched it and I actually got to the safe mode boot up screen!! I almost can't sit still right now!, (You have to understand that I've been at this for about 24 hours).

I have no idea what I'm going to do next because right now it says it can't find any of my graphic card drivers and says I need to install them. I have to calm down and think this through. But the mere fact that I can actuall take some kind of action is already overwhelming!

I here things installing and uninstalling, (windows' ba-dum and dum-ba). All my icons are huge because the graphics card isn't running the show. I've got to figure this out but if you have anymore great suggestions like the one that just hit the ball out of the park:thumb:thumb.gifthumb.gif, I'll take them!
Thanks!
post #9 of 10
Glad to hear that fixed your problem thumb.gif Happened to me once or twice before, the amount of panic it creates means I doubt I'll be forgetting it any time soon.

I would just go through the process of normal driver install. Drop in your MB driver disk, re-install everything you need, find and download the latest driver for your card and install that. Although maybe getting the latest BIOS and drivers from Asus would be a good idea too, those CDs are out of date the moment they leave the shipping yard.

As a temp fix for the massive icons, left click on the desktop, press and hold Ctrl, scroll down.
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post #10 of 10
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Alright, I have regained most of my composure. The garphics card found the drivers, (or maybe Windows, what ever), but the AOD program says it doesn't recognize the Chipset so I have to go to the AMD site and reinstall the latest version for that mobo.

I'm sure I have a lot of loose ends to tie up for the next few hours, (in the way of updates and reconfigurations), and then there's that UEFI stuff that I need to look at more closely, (I was planning to use that for the memory OC). I've yet to understand why it didn't flip to IDE on its own when it started up. The settings were in AHCI and apparently what I thought I knew about SATA and IDE drives was all wrong. I thought all the internal drives were SATA and IDE was an old sytem drive.

But whatever the facts, I just can't thank you enough KYADCK! You saved me a lot of extra money that I really didn't want to spend right now. I'm only using this new board as a 'learning tool' because I never had an unlocked mobo to work with.

Then, I'm probably going to look at going to i7 2600k CPUs and a Sandybridge if the Piledrive that supposed to come out soon can't match it. I fly FSX and it's very CPU intensive and to date, AMD has yet to make a CPU that can run those cores as fast as Intel, (too bad, because I really liked the AMD's).

Thank You, youda'man, (or gal; I don't want to be presumptous) wink.gifthumb.gif
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