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4Kx2K LCD monitors are 11 years old now? (IBM T220/T221)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T221

Yes, this thread is pretty much just me whining that 4K isn't industry standard yet.

I had always thought it was a tragedy that 2560x1600 has been around for so long and yet is still so expensive (yes, there have been some good sales in the last few months but I feel like it's about five years overdue).
Now I find out that you could get the T221, a 22" 4Kx2K monitor, for $8,000, in 2002. That's TEN YEARS AGO! The only price I've actually seen quoted for a new 4K monitor is $30,000 for the EIZO DuraVision FDH3601 and some rumors about big flat panels from the big name companies running around $10,000.

At this point I feel like a kid that grew up being told there is no Santa, only to find out that was a big fat lie.
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Manufacturers give consumers what they want, and the common consumer doesn't exactly care about an 8,000 dollar monitor, regardless of how many pixels it has. They would ask, "Why should I spend that much when I can get 1080p for under 300 dollars?", but the problem is, that's what people have been saying for years, they don't demand the extreme pixel densities that are actually possible (unless it happens to be in a smart phone tongue.gif).
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I've seen some very high res medical imaging monitors, well past 2560x1600 or even 2560x2048.

There's just no demand for that kind of resolution for the masses. Right now, it's stuck in the niche market, and most people don't even know what they're missing. However, with Apple bringing in high DPI panels for laptops and iPads, the rest of the industry will follow as they always do, and we'll get some cheaper high res panels soon enough.
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Incredibly low 41-48Hz, small screen, needing a special video card and horrendous input lag. Pretty much designed for medical and satellite imagery only and nothing else.

Only now have mainstream GPU's and single video links been able to drive such resolutions.
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Incredibly low 41-48Hz, small screen, needing a special video card and horrendous input lag. Pretty much designed for medical and satellite imagery only and nothing else.
Only now have mainstream GPU's and single video links been able to drive such resolutions.

I think the input lag is around 50 ms... definitely not meant for gaming frown.gif I still love the T221, I'm using 140 DPI on my ThinkPad's screen right now and it's incredible, I can only imagine how clear everything would look on 200 DPI
 
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I think the input lag is around 50 ms... definitely not meant for gaming frown.gif I still love the T221, I'm using 140 DPI on my ThinkPad's screen right now and it's incredible, I can only imagine how clear everything would look on 200 DPI

Given that it's decade old technology, I doubt you would find anything better at the time. Also note that it's IPS.

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Incredibly low 41-48Hz, small screen, needing a special video card and horrendous input lag. Pretty much designed for medical and satellite imagery only and nothing else.
Only now have mainstream GPU's and single video links been able to drive such resolutions.

Too small? 4Kx2K in a 15" screen is about right (hitting 300 PPI).
That it needs a special card and software to run may have been necessary ten years ago, but as soon as SLI caught on it would have been easy. You're only jumping from 4 Megapixel (2560x1600) to 8 Megapixel (4Kx2K), that would need two dual link DVI connections.
Regardless of that, whether or not graphics cards are capable is pretty much just a design decision, if Nvidia wanted to make a GPU to drive a 32 Megapixel screen they could whip up prototypes overnight, Eyefinity already runs 24 Megapixels.
(Edit: "Single Video Link", I guess from the perspective of a mass market analyst this might be important. However, that these things were ever produced to begin with would not have been a decision based on mass appeal.)

Really I should be complaining that 8Kx4K isn't slated to be the new standard, but I will be happy enough to use three 4Kx2K monitors. My biggest hope right now is that the Panasonic 20" 4K monitor gets produced, and sells for under $4,000 (half the cost of a monitor from ten years ago doesn't sound unreasonable, does it?).
Edited by ILoveHighDPI - 3/7/12 at 10:45am
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Given that it's decade old technology, I doubt you would find anything better at the time. Also note that it's IPS.
Too small? 4Kx2K in a 15" screen is about right (hitting 300 PPI).
That it needs a special card and software to run may have been necessary ten years ago, but as soon as SLI caught on it would have been easy. You're only jumping from 4 Megapixel (2560x1600) to 8 Megapixel (4Kx2K), that would need two dual link DVI connections.
Regardless of that, whether or not graphics cards are capable is pretty much just a design decision, if Nvidia wanted to make a GPU to drive a 32 Megapixel screen they could whip up prototypes overnight, Eyefinity already runs 24 Megapixels.
(Edit: "Single Video Link", I guess from the perspective of a mass market analyst this might be important. However, that these things were ever produced to begin with would not have been a decision based on mass appeal.)
Really I should be complaining that 8Kx4K isn't slated to be the new standard, but I will be happy enough to use three 4Kx2K monitors. My biggest hope right now is that the Panasonic 20" 4K monitor gets produced, and sells for under $4,000 (half the cost of a monitor from ten years ago doesn't sound unreasonable, does it?).

Your assumptions are flawed on varying levels. Not to mention virtually all 4k and 8k displays do not have the proper inputs to display nVidia Surround/AMD Eyefinity (multiple input connections required) and are designed to simply up-sample 1080P.
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