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This may be a noob question, but I have an Asus Rampage Extreme and from what I understand the X79 chipset is the native SATA controller, correct? If I connect drives to the Intel SATA ports and put them in RAID, will it be hardware RAID or software RAID then?

Also, does it support RAID on the ASMedia controller aswell?
Edited by Jarv0 - 3/7/12 at 9:28am
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It will be hardware raid. Two 6gb/s ports, and four 3gb/s ports run of intel controller. The asmedia supports it as-well but the intel controller will be faster so I recommend it over the Asmedia controller.

For both when you want to install it on windows you'll need the driver (for intel and asmedia). When your board boots up press control+I to go into the intel menu for the intel hdd controll. Set up raid (it's hardware raid). Choose the drives, choose the raid type, if raid 0/5/6/10 choose the stripe size. Then click save and it'll reboot ur mobo. Insert windows usb/dvd then install ur drivers via cd/usb. Then window should see the drive and click install.

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It will be hardware raid. Two 6gb/s ports, and four 3gb/s ports run of intel controller. The asmedia supports it as-well but the intel controller will be faster so I recommend it over the Asmedia controller.
For both when you want to install it on windows you'll need the driver (for intel and asmedia). When your board boots up press control+I to go into the intel menu for the intel hdd controll. Set up raid (it's hardware raid). Choose the drives, choose the raid type, if raid 0/5/6/10 choose the stripe size. Then click save and it'll reboot ur mobo. Insert windows usb/dvd then install ur drivers via cd/usb. Then window should see the drive and click install.
Enjoy!

OK nice, thanks! So there is no reason to add a raid card to my MB at all then? Oh, and the reason why I would want to put a RAID setup on the ASMedia controller is that (correct me if I'm wrong) the eSATA ports on the I/O-panel is connected to the ASMedia controller. And I'm thinking of getting like a HDD enclosure for my storage drives as I cannot fit them in the case due to a planned watercooling build where the HDD cages must be removed. Or maybe it would be better to get a enclosure with build in RAID controller and not use RAID off the ASMedia one?
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The rampage 4 extreme has two 6gb/s ports (on the right end I believe (maybe the left) which is from a Asmedia. The IO ports are asmedia. It'll be on Asus' website. Getting a raidcard is useless unless you want more than two drives (ssds in this case) on 6gb/s ports, or better performance due to hardware controllers cache (if you get one with a cache which is more expensive), or if you need more ports for multiple HDD's...all of which you don't. Check your manual if you still have it, it'll label the sata ports and their respective speeds/controllers for you!

Since you can't fit in them in the case, I recommend you get an enclosure. You have two options.

One is to "software raid", basically striping them using windows, but they'll be useless if you try to put them into another pc (this can be done easily by using a drive enclosure). You could get a raid capable enclosure but it'll be more expensive. Or you could get an enclosure and use the drivers to setup raid via the asmedia controller but make sure you research how to do so as I'm clueless frown.gif.

EDIT: ASMEDIA CONTROLLER CANNOT DO RAID. IF YOU NEED TO DO EXTERNAL RAID YOU CAN PLUG THE DRIVES IN AND SOFTWARE STRIPE THEM, OR YOU COULD GET AN EXTERNAL ENCLOSURE.

Here's from Asus' website:

Intel® X79 chipset :
2 x SATA 6Gb/s port(s), red
4 x SATA 3Gb/s port(s), black
Support Raid 0, 1, 5, 10
ASMedia® PCIe SATA controller :
2 x eSATA 6Gb/s port(s), red
2 x SATA 6Gb/s port(s), red
    
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It will be hardware raid. Two 6gb/s ports, and four 3gb/s ports run of intel controller. The asmedia supports it as-well but the intel controller will be faster so I recommend it over the Asmedia controller.

It is host-based RAID (aka firmware RAID, fake RAID).

It is not truely hardware RAID with a dedicated CPU and RAM. Hardware RAID controllers starts at $150 new.
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It is host-based RAID (aka firmware RAID, fake RAID).
It is not truely hardware RAID with a dedicated CPU and RAM. Hardware RAID controllers starts at $150 new.

If I get a enclosure with built in RAID controller, would it be true hardware raid or would it be firmware RAID?
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DELETE DOUBLE POST. SORRY wheee.gifsonic.gif
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If using two drives the fastest methods go PCIE raid controller with CACHE (8xpcie 2.0 or equivalent speeds) -> Intel ports 6gb/s --> Asmedia ports --> Pcie software raid cards (like rocketfish cards) --> External enclosure (these will vary greatly but will generally be slower).

Now the intel ports will be the fastest option unless you're willing to shell out ~$400 or so for a pcie raid card with a fast cache (like the intel cards)....If they're free (no ssds) use them, move ur dvd drive to a 3gb/s port or the asmedia port...
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It is host-based RAID (aka firmware RAID, fake RAID).
It is not truely hardware RAID with a dedicated CPU and RAM. Hardware RAID controllers starts at $150 new.

My bad wheee.gif, however the only actual hardware raids are at least $350.....the rest like the rocketfish stuff are software with a chip....not really hardware raid. The windows ports and any controller on a mobo with sufficient bandwidth will match is or even beat it even if you stripe it in windows. They're only worth it for the extra ports/extra bandwidth which comes with the extra ports, and I doubt the OP is using 4-8 hdd's...if so my bad.....but yes I was wrong in the earlier post, thanks for pointing that out! thumb.gif

Edit: Although the calculations are done externally to the cpu so eeh, like maybe a ~1-5% difference in performance on saturated write/read scenarios (depending on CPU/drivers/os)...pcie work(still being done)/slots used up/added costs are disadvantages though so if the OP has free ports he should just use them....

EDIT 2: just get an external enclosure, sorry for hijacking thread frown.gif , you won't be using your HDD's inside the case so w/e...


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If I get a enclosure with built in RAID controller, would it be true hardware raid or would it be firmware RAID?

It depends what you're planning to get, but most likely yes, either way the difference wont be by much!
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Thanks for the help. Although this is the wrong forum part, maybe someone can answer if I should go with eSATA or USB 3 for the external enclosure if it has a built in RAID controller? I have seen different opinions on this.

In the near future I will probably build a dedicated storage server, but I need a secondary solution for now.
Edited by Jarv0 - 3/10/12 at 9:14am
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