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So what would iPad "4" Bring?
So far what i can thing.
Better GPU. You dont need 4 GPUs to get high performance, so more Battery life
Smaller and lighter.
Faster CPU and more Power efficient.
Complete new form?
I think to get the Retina screen they had to but too much battery. Its good but also its heavy. iPad 2 was Borderline for me.
I noticed that with Galaxy Nexus Google did not speed too much time with the screen. Because its 720p so text will be so small u cant read it. iPhone 4S does not allow the Text to get that small to see the small pixels.

What? The galaxy nexus' screen is gorgeous, and in order to READ if it's too small, you ZOOM in, what a concept!
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This will actually be my first Apple product I've ever owned, I've used a few Ipads for a moment here and there, but nothing too extensive, I really hope I don't absolutely hate it, I'm so used to rooted and rom'd android tablets/phones, I honestly don't know if I'll like iOS
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I think you missed his point. For computer monitors this is true, a higher resolution means more workspace. For the iPad 3 this is not the case. It is scaled so that everything is the same size as the iPad 2, it's just much crisper because of the increased pixel density. If there was no scaling then everything would be crazy small and hard to read. Can you imagine how unusable 1:1 scaling on a 9.7" 2048x1536 display would be?biggrin.gif
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What? The galaxy nexus' screen is gorgeous, and in order to READ if it's too small, you ZOOM in, what a concept!

Yes its a mazing screen but the OS still needs some more work. I dont know how to explain it but whne i open OCN with iPhone its much zoomed in and the Nexus. This makes the Nexus Text not a clear so you have to zoom most of the time.
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Yes it does. Higher resolution will give you more work space - up to a point of course.
It really depends on your vision, and the distance you use your device at, but it's entirely preposterous to completely deny it.
I can try my 30" monitor at 1600p and 720p, and the difference in gained workspace, even at a 2 feet distance, is truly noticeable. The same thing holds for an iPad granted that you use it a distance of 1-2 feet.

kookoo.gif I think you missed a memo on "retina displays" but I will let the nice gentleman quoted below explain it to you once more...
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I think you missed his point. For computer monitors this is true, a higher resolution means more workspace. For the iPad 3 this is not the case. It is scaled so that everything is the same size as the iPad 2, it's just much crisper because of the increased pixel density. If there was no scaling then everything would be crazy small and hard to read. Can you imagine how unusable 1:1 scaling on a 9.7" 2048x1536 display would be?biggrin.gif

Thank you for clearing that up for the nice gentleman above. Sadly, I think he very well illustrated my point around the lack of understanding what constitutes a "retina" display and at the same time showed exactly how marketing works on an average consumer. People will flock to the iPad for high-resolution display when in reality this will do nothing for them but give crisper text and images while still limiting them to operate in what would traditionally be 1024x768 space.

In reality, the best PPI that you will get on a screen that size while maintaining the readability if you actually scale the resolution in favor of a larger workspace is maybe 180 PPI and even at that it would be pretty challenging to view content normally for most users over 20 years old. Extended viewing would be painful and quite bad for the eyes. Apple gets around this by maintaining the exact same scaling of everything on screen as is present at 1024x768 resolution, just increasing pixel density to make everything appear much more natural and sharper. If you could do the same thing on a computer screen you would not really need anti-aliasing as pixels would be so small that the eye could not discern any edges and everything would look as though it has smooth curves.
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So, it is quad core graphics, but dual core CPU?

If that is what it is, then meh.
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In reality, the best PPI that you will get on a screen that size while maintaining the readability if you actually scale the resolution in favor of a larger workspace is maybe 180 PPI and even at that it would be pretty challenging to view content normally for most users over 20 years old. Extended viewing would be painful and quite bad for the eyes. Apple gets around this by maintaining the exact same scaling of everything on screen as is present at 1024x768 resolution, just increasing pixel density to make everything appear much more natural and sharper. If you could do the same thing on a computer screen you would not really need anti-aliasing as pixels would be so small that the eye could not discern any edges and everything would look as though it has smooth curves.

I agree that with the scaling - which is in itself obligatory due to the limits of the users' vision - the true effects of the high-res display are lost or reduced in some cases. However, there is still a noticeable limit when using an app that takes advantage of the display. For example, given that you have an acceptable near vision, web pages can be viewed more zoomed-out while browsing.

As an example we can compare an iPhone 4 (300ppi+) and an iPod touch 3, both of which I possess. Zoomed-out texts on the iPod which appear utterly indecipherable, can be easily read on the iPhone 4's retina display (while maintaining the same zoom). And so this will allow you to have, in effect, a larger workspace simply due to the presence of the retina display which will allow us to use smaller zooms (resulting in greater working areas). And while for many things the scaling will reduce the effects of the added resolution, crucial apps will take great benefit of this upgrade. Not to mention, that practically everything will look better on the iPad given that it's viewed under 2 feet distance.
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Like I have said in other threads, this thing's GPU is going to have its work cut out for it. A single 6870 can barely drive my 1080p monitor although this was in DX11 games.
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Yes its a mazing screen but the OS still needs some more work. I dont know how to explain it but whne i open OCN with iPhone its much zoomed in and the Nexus. This makes the Nexus Text not a clear so you have to zoom most of the time.

You can set the DPI of the Nexus higher so all of the UI will be rendered larger.
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I agree that with the scaling - which is in itself obligatory due to the limits of the users' vision - the true effects of the high-res display are lost or reduced in some cases. However, there is still a noticeable limit when using an app that takes advantage of the display. For example, given that you have an acceptable near vision, web pages can be viewed more zoomed-out while browsing.
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Thats different with iPhone. you dont need to Zoom with iPad 2. Retina is simply for looks. in iPhone 4 yes it will make it so the non retina u cant read text without zooming.
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post #210 of 388
Whipped up an unbiased comparison between base models of the Transformer Prime and iPad. And before any of you Apple fanbois start saying that the App Store > Android Market, click here.

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