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Originally Posted by kevinsbane View Post

It's like OC.net owns a house, and we're all in it when we post. Someone's proposing selling something... OC.net needs to know what it is, and make sure it isn't illegal. Because if something goes wrong with it, it's their fault. If they do, at least they can do their checks to make sure it's something legal and not something that will blow up in their faces. Even if they don't know about it, they'll catch a lot of flak if something goes wrong.

According to the forum terms "You agree that no legal action, past, present or future, will be taken against Overclock.net in relation to your dealings with the site or people on the site". (terms of service)

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Originally Posted by Chipp View Post

In the interest of keeping everyone informed, now that we're aware of this discussion, we're currently making an effort to get in touch with the manufacturer for one of two possible scenarios which would allow sale of these monitors through the forums.
1) The seller joins the Vendor Partner program
2) We explore a hardware partner relationship much like we have with Ducky for mechanical keyboards

I was unable to find information about your partner programs. Hopefully your contacting them directly does not scare the manufacturers away from making these available, and also to people outside ocn. Doing this does seem to violate your site usage terms: "All deals conducted in the For Sale section, any other area within Overclock.net or with Overclock.net users via any other means are solely between the participants. Overclock.net is not responsible and will not get involved." (terms of service)

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There are several questions to be answered (in the interest of making sure members don't get burned) before we would allow either of those, and these are also things we'd encourage you to be thinking about if you explore buying regardless of whether or not a purchase program is implemented officially with OCN. Is there a warranty? Who handles warranty work? Who pays for it? How are dead pixels handled? Are these items drop-shipped, or are timelines dependent on large freight shipments? We're not trying to imply that any of these might be problems - but, they are the kind of things we'll certainly be taking into account before offering any kind of official relationship to sell these monitors here (branded or not).

Good questions. Here are some more to be answered: What are the requirements to join your partner programs? Does ocn take a cut of sales? Are the ocn users responsible for all the work up to this point still involved? Why did you wait weeks to post this notice until there was a large interest and sales were likely forthcoming (despite no relevant violating links posted yet)?

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Please stay tuned for further information - once we've established communication with the various representatives giving information thats been posted here, we'll let you know the results of our discussions.

A regular schedule for updates in a fixed location would be nice.
post #3012 of 11297
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According to the forum terms "You agree that no legal action, past, present or future, will be taken against Overclock.net in relation to your dealings with the site or people on the site". (terms of service)

That won't stop people from complaining and threatening and just causing a ruckus/headaches in general, if something happens. If people even bother to read the TOS to begin with.
post #3013 of 11297
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"All deals conducted in the For Sale section, any other area within Overclock.net or with Overclock.net users via any other means are solely between the participants. Overclock.net is not responsible and will not get involved."

The bold part will be used as an "escape clause" in this situation since the discussion was in another forum. However, that's all it was. Discussion. There were no links to the webshop (yet) or elsewhere.

That having been said,

I think it's ridiculous they are insisting on having a "partnership" though in order to allow discussion of the topic. I understand this isn't the typical "store exclusive" type of situation but, in the end that's really what it it is due to the circumstances involved. A webshop is really no different than an ebay store or a user selling items in bulk via a thread they create in a buy/sale/trade forum, etc. Obviously there are differences in all of those situations but, from the "big picture" point of view, they are really all one in the same. Retail is retail . . .

If this was actually an issue of "liability" or "concern for the memberbase", this action should have been taken well before now. Someone should have stepped in at the start with the information posted by the staff after they locked the thread once there had been 114 pages of discussion. At this point, stepping in doesn't come across as being noble. It comes across as sitting on the fence to see how things were going to play out and then swooping in at the end to try and take advantage of the situation. It's purely bad form.
    
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There is no reason to question OCNs decision. As far as I understand it was the man and chief who made the decision and not a deluded moderator. Of course he has to have his eye open when another company plans a specific Overclock.net version. If the monitor producer want to make a OCN version they of course first must ask OCN for his permission.
post #3015 of 11297
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Originally Posted by Racer J View Post

The bold part will be used as an "escape clause" in this situation since the discussion was in another forum. However, that's all it was. Discussion. There were no links to the webshop (yet) or elsewhere.
That having been said,
I think it's ridiculous they are insisting on having a "partnership" though in order to allow discussion of the topic. I understand this isn't the typical "store exclusive" type of situation but, in the end that's really what it it is due to the circumstances involved. A webshop is really no different than an ebay store or a user selling items in bulk via a thread they create in a buy/sale/trade forum, etc. Obviously there are differences in all of those situations but, from the "big picture" point of view, they are really all one in the same. Retail is retail . . .
If this was actually an issue of "liability" or "concern for the memberbase", this action should have been taken well before now. Someone should have stepped in at the start with the information posted by the staff after they locked the thread once there had been 114 pages of discussion. At this point, stepping in doesn't come across as being noble. It comes across as sitting on the fence to see how things were going to play out and then swooping in at the end to try and take advantage of the situation. It's purely bad form.

Amen brother couldn't have said it better:)
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The OCN branding would've been free advertising, these monitors will sell regardless of whos logo is on it. The monitors are still going to be sold on ebay by the Korean distributors so I don't see what profit OCN is looking to make here other than the branding. They were never meant to be sold through anyone other than ebay AFAIK.
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post #3017 of 11297
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The OCN branding would've been free advertising, these monitors will sell regardless of whos logo is on it. The monitors are still going to be sold on ebay by the Korean distributors so I don't see what profit OCN is looking to make here other than the branding. They were never meant to be sold through anyone other than ebay AFAIK.

Probably a small share for each monitor with the OCN version label.
post #3018 of 11297
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There is no reason to question OCNs decision.

No, there is no reason to blindly accept what OCN said as it simply doesn't "fit" into the context it was used. The post made after the staff locked the thread should have been made on day one, not after 114 pages of discussion and an agreement was reached between the manufacturer and an ebay seller to procure a second manufacturing run. If OCN wants to be involved and have their name plastered over it, they should have been involved from the start rather than resting on their laurels instead of helping the manufacturer, ebay seller, and the user involved. At no point was it ever confirmed that it would even have anything to do with OCN though and now they are refusing to allow discussion of it unless it does.

You seriously don't see any issue with that?
    
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Since when was it going to be "OCN" branded? It's not like they designed it or anything.
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post #3020 of 11297
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Originally Posted by Racer J View Post

No, there is no reason to blindly accept what OCN said as it simply doesn't "fit" into the context it was used. The post made after the staff locked the thread should have been made on day one, not after 114 pages of discussion and an agreement was reached between the manufacturer and an ebay seller to procure a second manufacturing run. If OCN wants to be involved and have their name plastered over it, they should have been involved from the start rather than resting on their laurels instead of helping the manufacturer, ebay seller, and the user involved. At no point was it ever confirmed that it would even have anything to do with OCN though and now they are refusing to allow discussion of it unless it does.
You seriously don't see any issue with that?

OCN do what they think is best for them. They just want to make some money. Nothing wrong with that.

Of course they will lose some activity for locking that topic but I suppose the OCN chief has taken that in consideration when making his decision.
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