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All this talk about cables, I'm going to order a nice quality dvi-d with my build parts...
   
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post #6032 of 11297
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Originally Posted by millicent View Post

I've been a Catleap SE (DVI only) owner for about a week now. One of things that sold me was the claim that it had low to virtually no input lag. I did a fair amount of reading online before i bought the monitor and there are plenty of posts in this thread and others that explain why this monitor has low lag. Well I tried some shooters in the past week and it just didnt feel right so i ran some tests with my limited equipment. I setup the Catleap against another panel that i had in the house and this is what i got:
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The Catleap was transitioning from 100-130ms while the Dell ST2410 (5ms response) was already at 130-150ms. Correct me if im wrong but this means that the Catleap is slower than the ST2410, which is already pretty laggy with an OSD, scaler and multiple inputs like HDMI/RGB. I'm not sure if this is due to the fact that there are just more pixels to process on the panel itself? Or maybe the quality of the electronics? I wish i had a DSLR camera with a fast shutter so i could capture this better. Im assuming you need a tube monitor + DSLR to measure the actual lag in ms.. if any of the owners here happen to have this equipment i urge you to please run a proper test so we can put the numbers up against similar monitors like the Crossover, Shimian or Apple Cinema.
Why does everyone keep using that crappy flatpanels.dk timer? It's no good. Don't use it. You can clearly see that the timer is not updating properly. There shouldn't be a 20-30 ms difference between frames. Using a faster shutter speed won't make a difference.

Cloning is also not guaranteed to be synchronized. You cloned the displays with no way to see where each monitor is refreshing, so there's no way to see the desynchronization, and with desktop composition enabled, the desynchronization may not be consistent. That's probably where the difference is coming from.

Use this program instead: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1423433 (Download link: http://goo.gl/DeUBm)

Disable desktop composition by setting the desktop theme to Basic or Classic (or disable desktop composition in the .exe properties) and mirror the displays as usual, then run the .exe file directly (not the .bat files) and maximize the window. That should show six columns with each column representing one frame. The program will synchronize with one of the monitors, and the other monitor will show a line of tearing if they're not perfectly synchronized. If there is tearing, wait for the line to drift off the screen, then take a picture. If the line of tearing does not move, you will have to add a custom resolution for one of the monitors with a slightly different refresh rate like 61 Hz, then try again.

That will give you an accurate picture of the true lag difference. I bet both monitors are nearly identical.

The ST2410 probably doesn't have any significant lag. Monitors lag because they buffer frames, not because they have an OSD/scaler/multiple inputs. For some reason, all of the current 2560x1600/1440p monitors with an OSD/scaler/multiple inputs buffer one frame, but that's not the case with most lower resolution monitors.

Most monitors lag within 2 ms of an exact number of frames, and both of those monitors should have 0 frames of lag.
Edited by ToastyX - 7/13/12 at 1:07pm
post #6033 of 11297
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Originally Posted by NateZ28 View Post

What makes you say that sir? Is it the difference in technologies (S-IPS vs TN)?
Because my friend has your Acer 120hz monitor and I love it for the 120hz. I was hoping the 120hz Catleap would be better in every way.

When your looking into a 2560x1440 IPS panel.. you will get a sick feeling when ever u look at a 1920x1080i TN panel everytime.
    
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When your looking into a 2560x1440 IPS panel.. you will get a sick feeling when ever u look at a 1920x1080i TN panel everytime.
Well yeah definitely. But he said that comparing the two 120hz technologies is not like comparing apples to apples. I've used his Acer 120hz monitor and like it but I haven't tried a 120hz Catleap.
I'm curious to know what he meant.
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Originally Posted by NateZ28 View Post

What makes you say that sir? Is it the difference in technologies (S-IPS vs TN)?
Because my friend has your Acer 120hz monitor and I love it for the 120hz. I was hoping the 120hz Catleap would be better in every way.
It's not guaranteed you'll hit 120hz with the Catleap (most likely 100hz), and the slightly higher response time of the Catleap (due to IPS) means there will be slightly more blurring than on a 120hz TN.
post #6036 of 11297
More like ghosting.
 
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More like ghosting.
You think Ghosting is bad on your monitor? I know the response time is higher than 6ms. Realistically it's around 11 on average. But from what I've heard it's barely noticeable even in fast-paced FPS games.
post #6038 of 11297
Just wondered if anyone has invested in the "Unparalleled" Version that AW is selling?
post #6039 of 11297
How many of you are getting dead pixels? I find none acceptable. Any more than none and I would be pissed.

Also, on this new 30'', can we has moar reviews?
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post #6040 of 11297
OK, I figured out the problem with the display acting weird. It was indeed the included DVI cable that was acting up. Fortunately, I ordered another DVI cable the day after I purchased this monitor, just in case this would happen.
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