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Up to you. My monitor's build quality was never a forte of it, and no one should under any illusion that it is amazing. Meanwhile, I have had the pleasure of using a 1440p monitor for nine months now, have had a monitor which is superior to similarly priced monitors, and "saved" $400 (50%) from a similarly specced monitor. Oh, and I get 120 hz operation too. Know what you're getting into. If you want to spend 75% more on your monitor to get the additional peace of mind, be my guest. I will save the money now and am willing to take the risk - and I think my choice has been validated so far.
That's speculation, you realise? How many people have bought their fourth monitor? And how many still have their original? You obviously thought that your extra $300 was well spent. Others, perhaps, had a better use for $300 than getting a warranty they did not value - perhaps because the warranty, for most consumer electronics, is for peace of mind, not because it provides and actual benefit. That is to say, I am willing to guess that the majority of these monitors will never benefit even from a three year warranty that dell gives. Again.... Are dell monitors (the U2713hm) better? Of course. But are they $300-$500 better? That is a value proposition that you cannot make for someone else.
Cheapest crossover would be $450, Catleap/Shimian $390 and I paid $620 for my Dell so yes, Imo well spent $150-200. It's one of the most expensive things I've got and I will have it backed up for 3 years for aditional 5 bucks a month which I can make in about hour. So yea, really worth it.
Not even mentioning what's inside those koreans, Dell doesn't even use power brick.

I spend on average 6 hours a day using this monitor, I don't know what would I do if my korean died, wait month to get the seller to do something if he even answers and month to ship it there and back. If my Dell dies, I will have it repaired probably in 10 hours or less, 1 hour a month is worth the piece of mind.
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Color accuracy decreases with increased distortion and graininess.
Matte panels have distortion and graininess which results in poor color accuracy.

As I said color accuracy has to do with final output. For me that's print, what I see on my monitor better match what I print. As I stated from my personal experience glossy's are a pita to setup for anything I want color accuracy.

Have you tested any glossy/matte using the same panel?

The pic you even has a TN panel and different resolutions. Panel matters more for color accuracy than matte vs glossy.

Also not all matte panels are the same, different manufacturers use different AG. I feel like you've had bad experience with a few matte panels and writing them off.

It's all boils down to preference but I get annoyed when I see marketing work.

In a controlled environment/calibrated gloss and matte will perform similarly.

Glossy monitors are inherently cheaper to manufacturer. It reminds me of the whole stick vs auto for cars. It's all preference.
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Whaa? and I was thinking of buying one in the near future... so what do i do now? where do i go?
halp

Are you now or do you seriously aspire to be a professional graphic artist, print editor or photographer? If so, then you probably already know your options.

If not, then consider the consumer-level mid-range IPS monitors, and read about the differences with eIPS, and determine what inputs you need. I want dual ~24's with DVI, so I already have my short list. PM me if you want to hear it so we don't clutter the thread with further comparisons.
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Cheapest crossover would be $450, Catleap/Shimian $390 and I paid $620 for my Dell so yes, Imo well spent $150-200. It's one of the most expensive things I've got and I will have it backed up for 3 years for aditional 5 bucks a month which I can make in about hour. So yea, really worth it.
Not even mentioning what's inside those koreans, Dell doesn't even use power brick.
I spend on average 6 hours a day using this monitor, I don't know what would I do if my korean died, wait month to get the seller to do something if he even answers and month to ship it there and back. If my Dell dies, I will have it repaired probably in 10 hours or less, 1 hour a month is worth the piece of mind.

Yes, worth it for you - but not worth it for many people. Especially since many got it at ~$300. It is clear that you were not in the market purely for cheap 1440p. Good for you! You got a monitor you wanted. The Dell's a great monitor, and it certainly has all the advantages that you say it does. But why post over and over about how your monitor is better and how the Catleap/ is not as good? Especially in this thread. I think everyone knows that.
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Amazing? or acceptable. You get 120 hz operation, but will anyone that buys this monitor today get that?

I don't want to spend 75% more. For me, it is a choice of wanting 2x 24" IPS or eIPS (I am honest about my requirements for a "professional" quality monitor) but being willing to upgrade. I would certainly get a generic display for a fraction of the cost of the apple display, for the same quality, minus the apple support.
These aren't professional quality monitors. Anyone who thinks they are are fooling themselves. They're good for what they're good for - bringing 1440p to a <$400 price. They are not amazing. They are also not trash.
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The fact is that even people that are happy with these monitors report that these are not the same quality. There are some people reporting major defects. A single dead pixel is not a major defect. Having to tape your monitor back together is.
Was I upset the glass fell off? Sure. Was it a major defect? No. If I had ordered a nontempered glass model, I would have gotten what I had when the glass fell off. And paid less money. My monitor did not "fall apart" in the manner you think. I had a perfectly workable (and salable) monitor after the glass fell off. If I had sold it as a non-tempered glass version, no one would be able to tell the difference between that and a regular non-tempered glass model.
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I get the desire to gamble for bang-for-the-buck. Value is great, but I expect a minimum level of build quality. Not generic factory thirds.
It should be clear that these monitors are of lower quality. Expecting Dell-level quality? Pay Dell-level prices. The primary reason people consider these monitors is value. If value isn't high on your list, get something that does have the features you want.
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No name display, less features, less inputs vs. Apple display w/ more features can be a valid value comparison.
No name display, less features, less inputs, sand in the glass, 14 dead pixels, light bleed, yellowing, scuffs, wobbly stands, having to be taped back together vs. Apple display w/ more features, much tighter QC, infinitely better warranty is apples and oranges.
*shrug* Ok. The monitors can be compared - but what you value is different and thus the decision reached will be different. They can all be compared - unless each individual issue is a deal-breaker to you. Which it seems they are. Therefore there can be no value comparison - for you.
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You wouldn't pay half price for a Core i7 CPU/mobo combo if there were reports of them having not recognizing a core, CPU fans falling off and memory not being recognized, all on the same model, topped off with the fact that if it's screwed you have to find a sucker to buy it rather than RMA it.
I certainly would not. However, you do realise that your example is contrived and rather inaccurate in context of this situation?
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I came here to research this monitor, and I did. It's not for me, and I'm moving on. I'll give a few hours for responses to see if anyone has a valid argument other than "I got lucky and got a good one". After that I'll be unsubscribing and getting on with life.
If you don't want to deal with the issues that these monitors may have, then don't buy it. You will have more headaches than you wish to deal with. It's not the monitor for you. Get a Dell U2713hm (or U2713h for aRGB coverage). It will work better for you. It's a better monitor. It will just cost you more. I'm not trying to sell these monitors, that's just dumb. Anyone who does, aside from ebayers who are actually making money off them, is wasting their time. If you have the extra money to spend on a better quality monitor, by all means, go and do it. However, don't spread FUD and try to pass it off as truth if it is not.
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Yes, worth it for you - but not worth it for many people. Especially since many got it at ~$300. It is clear that you were not in the market purely for cheap 1440p. Good for you! You got a monitor you wanted. The Dell's a great monitor, and it certainly has all the advantages that you say it does. But why post over and over about how your monitor is better and how the Catleap/ is not as good? Especially in this thread. I think everyone knows that.
That's the difference. If I wanted a new monitor when they were $300 and less, the Dell would probably be at around $800 and I would be using korean monitor right now.
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I wish there was a non AG version of the Dell 27". I guess that's the Apple Cinema, but it's much more expensive. Too bad there isn't a happy median for those of us doing web design.
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Yes, worth it for you - but not worth it for many people. Especially since many got it at ~$300.

At 120 hz capable too.

Anyway, re: your points, fair enough. This thread is a pretty good resource for those wanting to find out more about this monitor. I've found what I need to know, so thank you all for that.
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As I said color accuracy has to do with final output. For me that's print, what I see on my monitor better match what I print. As I stated from my personal experience glossy's are a pita to setup for anything I want color accuracy.
Have you tested any glossy/matte using the same panel?
The pic you even has a TN panel and different resolutions. Panel matters more for color accuracy than matte vs glossy.
Also not all matte panels are the same, different manufacturers use different AG. I feel like you've had bad experience with a few matte panels and writing them off.
It's all boils down to preference but I get annoyed when I see marketing work.
In a controlled environment/calibrated gloss and matte will perform similarly.
Glossy monitors are inherently cheaper to manufacturer. It reminds me of the whole stick vs auto for cars. It's all preference.

An IPS panel will almost always have better color accuracy than a TN panel.

What I'm saying is that matte panels distort colors in a way. This means less color accuracy.
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An IPS panel will almost always have better color accuracy than a TN panel.
What I'm saying is that matte panels distort colors in a way. This means less color accuracy.

Yes but your picture is comparing apples to oranges.

Different panel types with a majority of them at a lower resolution. All this shows is the finishing on different models, you can't really take anything else out of that.

Also not all manufacturers do matte the same, putting a blanket statement doesn't really help.

There are high end monitors in both matte/glossy for color accuracy (and these Korean's aren't one of those). If your argument was valid, nobody would make matte. Why would they? It's more expensive to manufacturer a matte monitor than a glossy.

In a controlled environment they should perform similarly. It just boils down to preference.

Read your other thread, a few editors are responding.

Tator just gave me the word I was looking for. Glossy monitors have better clarity.
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Yes but your picture is comparing apples to oranges.
Different panel types with a majority of them at a lower resolution. All this shows is the finishing on different models, you can't really take anything else out of that.
Also not all manufacturers do matte the same, putting a blanket statement doesn't really help.
There are high end monitors in both matte/glossy for color accuracy (and these Korean's aren't one of those). If your argument was valid, nobody would make matte. Why would they? It's more expensive to manufacturer a matte monitor than a glossy.
In a controlled environment they should perform similarly. It just boils down to preference.
Read your other thread, a few editors are responding.
Tator just gave me the word I was looking for. Glossy monitors have better clarity.

Since all these are are rejects that would normally go in to a high end monitor, why would they not have the same color reproduction? It's the same panel, someone just thought one little thing was off and scrapped it.
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