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You guys can stick your head in the sand all you want, just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there.
    
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That still seems kinda...off. The game's software not supporting AA for one brand specifically is already a bit odd. Considering that AA has been such a standard feature for many many years, and not only did Arkham Asylum's software side not support it, but still actively disabled the driver based AA...just seems shady.
Maybe you're right about AMD dropping the ball, but there are so many games out there (especially the smaller ones) that still support AA for both Nvidia and AMD cards without any sort of help from either company. Obviously they're getting AA to work without the help of the manufacturers, so why was Asylum suddenly a special case? Console port or not, that's quite odd.

Actually, according ESP's link driver support AA was allowed. It just isn't as optimized as in game AA.

Secondly, console ports generally have little in the way AA. Remember the only console that has native AA is the Xbox 360 with its 10mb of EDRAM or whatever it is, PS3 has some clever FXAA/MLAA type stuff to do real time rendering but it requires use of SysMem.

I am not saying these events are COOL. Don't get me wrong. I have no desire for people who pay top dollars not get top support, I merely claimed that based on the evidence you can not blame nVidia for these issues with out definitive proof. My first post simply declared there have always been perks with certain games using nVidia. AMD are starting to to do it. Starting with the launch of the 5xxx / 6xxx radeons they are definitely developing the same "comfy" relationships... but its still not where it should be. Triple AAA titles often go broken at launch by AMD Drivers for a few days, sometimes even weeks/months for CrossfireX. As a fanboy of gaming, thats always unacceptable. nVidia has always seem to have an edge here, whether its whispering sweet nothings in the developers ears, or actually providing QA / Development Feedback and design tips. A lot of people forget that despite costing more, nVidia spends tons of money on developers, R&D, and software support. In essence, the customer pays a little more, for a little more peace of mind.
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You guys can stick your head in the sand all you want, just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there.

What I see is an error in your logic and accusations, I am just merely pointing them out.
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Of course it's there. The Crysis 2 DX11 patch probabally would not have come out if not for Nvidia. If you read that article and you don't tink Nvidia did something a bit shady I'm not sure what your thinking.

The best part is not even the water it's the concrete slabs which have a four inch piece of metal on them which doesn't look any different between the tesselated and non-tesselated versions but has more polygons in DX11 then anything else in the scene. Nvidia knew AMD was weak with tess. and they had Crytek stick as much useless tess. in there in order to cripple 69** series performance.


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Yes, folks, this is some truly inspiring geometric detail, well beyond what one might expect to see in an object that could easily be constructed from a few hundred polygons. This model may well be the most complex representation of a concrete traffic barrier ever used in any video game, movie, or any other computer graphics-related enterprise.

The question is: Why?

Why did Crytek decide to tessellate the heck out of this object that has no apparent need for it?

Yes, there are some rounded corners that require a little bit of polygon detail, but recall that the DX9 version of the same object without any tessellation at all appears to have the exact same contours. The only difference is those little metal "handles" along the top surface. Yet the flat interior surfaces of this concrete slab, which could be represented with just a handful of large triangles, are instead subdivided into thousands of tiny polygons.

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I'm not even saying it's an awful thing. Without Nvidia money we probabally wouldn't have got anything for Crysis 2. But let's not act like it's not there.
    
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Of course it's there. The Crysis 2 DX11 patch probabally would not have come out if not for Nvidia. If you read that article and you don't tink Nvidia did something a bit shady I'm not sure what your thinking.
The best part is not even the water it's the concrete slabs which have a four inch piece of metal on them which doesn't look any different between the tesselated and non-tesselated versions but has more polygons in DX11 then anything else in the scene. Nvidia knew AMD was weak with tess. and they had Crytek stick as much useless tess. in there in order to cripple 69** series performance.
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The question is: Why?
Why did Crytek decide to tessellate the heck out of this object that has no apparent need for it?
Yes, there are some rounded corners that require a little bit of polygon detail, but recall that the DX9 version of the same object without any tessellation at all appears to have the exact same contours. The only difference is those little metal "handles" along the top surface. Yet the flat interior surfaces of this concrete slab, which could be represented with just a handful of large triangles, are instead subdivided into thousands of tiny polygons.

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I'm not even saying it's an awful thing. Without Nvidia money we probabally wouldn't have got anything for Crysis 2. But let's not act like it's not there.

I don't provide an explanation, I simply implied I do not know why Crytek did this, but if I recall, the DX11 stuff began launch day due to the overwhelming demand for it. The game was not built ground up for DX11. Lets face it, thats never a good thing. IF I was developing it, I would not have done it this way.

I would anticipate ANY type of conclusion made was that nVidia provided the hardware to test on (which they did) and thereby not only got a fluid running game, but SHOULD have gotten a fluid game. I think many of the AMD fans always treat AMD as a victim and with that mentality they are always being treated "unfair." Which you shouldn't, they are making a killing. They are going to have to learn to play the GPU game or they are going to continually be the second rate vendor in my opinion.

I also want to point out though, despite all those crazy extra Triangles, the 7970 (single GPU) runs it no sweat at a smooth 50fps and 2560x1600 on Ultra now. Better than my 2x 580s did at launch, don't be so quick to jump on the "poor AMD" bandwagon. This is like a boxing match, there is hardly ever a draw, and the better fighter is usually the winner. AMD have a rock solid haymaker and stamina this generation and overclocking endurance like no previously seen card. The 7970 is something to be completely proud of.
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I don't provide an explanation, I simply implied I do not know why Crytek did this, but if I recall, the DX11 stuff began launch day due to the overwhelming demand for it. The game was not built ground up for DX11. Lets face it, thats never a good thing. IF I was developing it, I would not have done it this way.
I would anticipate ANY type of conclusion made was that nVidia provided the hardware to test on (which they did) and thereby not only got a fluid running game, but SHOULD have gotten a fluid game. I think many of the AMD fans always treat AMD as a victim and with that mentality they are always being treated "unfair." Which you shouldn't, they are making a killing. They are going to have to learn to play the GPU game or they are going to continually be the second rate vendor in my opinion.
I also want to point out though, despite all those crazy extra Triangles, the 7970 (single GPU) runs it no sweat at a smooth 50fps and 2560x1600 on Ultra now. Better than my 2x 580s did at launch, don't be so quick to jump on the "poor AMD" bandwagon. This is like a boxing match, there is hardly ever a draw, and the better fighter is usually the winner. AMD have a rock solid haymaker and stamina this generation and overclocking endurance like no previously seen card. The 7970 is something to be completely proud of.

Like I said. I don't think it's a bad thing. We would not have gotten the DX11 upgrades without Nvidia. All I'm saying is of course Nvidia throws around their weight with devs and as that article plainly shows this generally causes games to run better on Nvidia hardware. Is it shady? Yeah a little bit but greater good wise I'm not going to complain.
    
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I do get a kick out of the Nvidia conspiracy theories. AMD is a much larger company. If anyone is a juggernaut next to Intel it's AMD. Nvidia's market niche doesn't include CPU's, they just may have a stronger business model. Hence why Dirk Meyer AMD CEO's leaving may have been the right step in the right direction since he wasn’t being aggressive enough in exploiting new opportunities.

I was also right about tessellation because, it's not proprietary just like AA, and now that AMD decided to get properly functional in their 7000 series lines it looks like from the speculation they will be doing it better than Nvidia based off this recent rumor article. Go figure.

Other than PhysX, these arguments are silly. IF Nvidia or AMD figures a way to render software games using AA, MSAA, FXAA etc better than the other why wouldn't they leverage some marketing strategies to promote it? I fail to see how a business being conducted effectively is considered 'shady' rather than the other company being lousy at marketing their strong points.

Other reasoning is just 'denial' of a fail. Just like Nvidia not being out in time to give AMD competition is a fail. The money that AMD took off the table before Nvidia can even come to it was a success for AMD even if it was a bit premature with drivers. Money revenue equal success.
     
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I do get a kick out of the Nvidia conspiracy theories. AMD is a much larger company. If anyone is a juggernaut next to Intel it's AMD. Nvidia's market niche doesn't include CPU's, they just may have a stronger business model. Hence why Dirk Meyer AMD CEO's leaving may have been the right step in the right direction since he wasn’t being aggressive enough in exploiting new opportunities.
I was also right about tessellation because, it's not proprietary just like AA, and now that AMD decided to get properly functional in their 7000 series lines it looks like from the speculation they will be doing it better than Nvidia based off this recent rumor article. Go figure.
Other than PhysX, these arguments are silly. IF Nvidia or AMD figures a way to render software games using AA, MSAA, FXAA etc better than the other why wouldn't they leverage some marketing strategies to promote it? I fail to see how a business being conducted effectively is considered 'shady' rather than the other company being lousy at marketing their strong points.
Other reasoning is just 'denial' of a fail. Just like Nvidia not being out in time to give AMD competition is a fail. The money that AMD took off the table before Nvidia can even come to it was a success for AMD even if it was a bit premature with drivers. Money revenue equal success.

Nvidia is nearly 100% larger then AMD in it's entirety...
    
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AMD is not a bigger company then Nvidia.

Nvidia's market cap is about twice as large - 9.9 Billion versus 5.00 billion. So yeah Nvidia is MUCH bigger then AMD.

And it's really not a conspiracy theory Nvidia throws money towards devs to make their games run better on their hardware and in Crysis 2's case if throwing on a ton of tess. had a major negative impact on Performance on AMD's cards. You think this is accidental? Or you think Crytek was really just that passionate about making the best looking digital four inch concrete slab of all time? Come on.
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Like I said. I don't think it's a bad thing. We would not have gotten the DX11 upgrades without Nvidia. All I'm saying is of course Nvidia throws around their weight with devs and as that article plainly shows this generally causes games to run better on Nvidia hardware. Is it shady? Yeah a little bit but greater good wise I'm not going to complain.
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AMD is not a bigger company then Nvidia.
Nvidia's market cap is about twice as large - 9.9 Billion versus 5.00 billion. So yeah Nvidia is MUCH bigger then AMD.
And it's really not a conspiracy theory Nvidia throws money towards devs to make their games run better on their hardware and in Crysis 2's case if throwing on a ton of tess. had a major negative impact on Performance on AMD's cards. You think this is accidental? Or you think Crytek was really just that passionate about making the best looking digital four inch concrete slab of all time? Come on.

Market cap doesn't mean anything except towards stock market relatable information. Look at Apple.

AMD has about ~11,000 Employees. nVidia has about ~6500.

As far as being physically bigger I confess I do not know, but I am sure they don't have 4,000 extra janitors.

Also regarding Crysis 2, it runs better now on the 7970 to 580. Perhaps the 6970 was really bottlenecked by HWTessellation and the level of Tessellation in Crysis 2 was not actually that bad.
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Market cap doesn't mean anything except towards stock market relatable information. Look at Apple.
AMD has about ~11,000 Employees. nVidia has about ~6500.
As far as being physically bigger I confess I do not know, but I am sure they don't have 4,000 extra janitors.
Also, it runs better now on the 7970 to 580. Perhaps the 6970 was really bottle necked by Tessellation and the level of Tessellation in Crysis 2 was not actually that bad.

I guess the point is that Nvidia is in a much better financial position. The number of employees is irrelevant in this discussion. Nvidia has a whole lot more to offer devs then AMD does. In fact AMD's CPU business is a drag in this department because all those resources are shared.
    
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