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The percentages are also best case scenario numbers. Expect these to play out the exact same way they have the last 2 generations. Were not going to see one company leap ahead of the other in terms of performance because that doesnt make any business sense (ie doesnt make them more money to do that).

leaping ahead of the competition in perf doesn't make you money? rolleyes.gif

I wonder why Nvidia got huge sales and a huge market share with the 8800 cards...
 
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The percentages are also best case scenario numbers. Expect these to play out the exact same way they have the last 2 generations. Were not going to see one company leap ahead of the other in terms of performance because that doesnt make any business sense (ie doesnt make them more money to do that).

Not unless you're thinking long term. It seems like a good strategy by Nvidia actually. They've been out of the market share for a while now without kepler. It makes sense to bring out a big gun to try to take some back with authority. I'm sure real in game performance may differ. If what i said above is true then the 670 TI may trade blows with 7970 or be a little worse as long as the 680 takes the performance crown back. That being said, Radeon's 8xxx series is En Route, so why release the gk110 when they can wait to combat that with their answer. Radeon has a history of pulling an Intel and just rebadging or barely improving on the 2nd line of a new process or generation (ie 5xxx vs. 6xxx and sandy bridge vs. ivy bridge). I don't claim to know what will happen with the new cards, but if UE4 is a sign of a new console(as people have been hinting at), that could get the graphics race back in action and another push for higher, faster ,and better. With that in mind maybe Radeon will try to improve on their cards boosting performance between the 7xxx and 8xxx series, which is when nvidia would answer back with their ace...gk110.

So for the short answer, yes it does make sense lol.




Edit: I know ivy bridge is going to be on 22nm, but I'm comparing it with their "tick tock" system
Edited by xNinjaSkillz - 3/9/12 at 1:06pm
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If the new kelper even comes close, I hope it encourages a massive price drop for the already bloated price tags of new AMD cards.
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Of course it does, letting crippled/smaller GPUs compete with the flagship of the competition is always great from an economic aspect. Also, companies don't design ASICs based on the current competition considering the design, debugging and tape process takes a couple of years.
Not saying that Kepler is going to crush Tahiti XT though.
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Not unless you're thinking long term. It seems like a good strategy by Nvidia actually. They've been out of the market share for a while now without kepler. It makes sense to bring out a big gun to try to take some back with authority. I'm sure real in game performance may differ. If what i said above is true then the 670 TI may trade blows with 7970 or be a little worse as long as the 680 takes the performance crown back. That being said, Radeon's 8xxx series is En Route, so why release the gk110 when they can wait to combat that with their answer. Radeon has a history of pulling an Intel and just rebadging or barely improving on the 2nd line of a new process or generation (ie 5xxx vs. 6xxx and sandy bridge vs. ivy bridge). I don't claim to know what will happen with the new cards, but if UE4 is a sign of a new console(as people have been hinting at), that could get the graphics race back in action and another push for higher, faster ,and better. With that in mind maybe Radeon will try to improve on their cards boosting performance between the 7xxx and 8xxx series, which is when nvidia would answer back with their ace...gk110.
So for the short answer, yes it does make sense lol.
Edit: I know ivy bridge is going to be on 22nm, but I'm comparing it with their "tick tock" system

What I meant by the term 'leap' was to make a significant gain. I'm talking like a %100 lead over the competition. That simply does not make them more money. Look at Nvidia, the 580 cost how much more then the 6970, and the performance was how much higher? Nvidia does not need to compete with price to performance ratio's, all they need to do is release a card that is 5% faster in a few benchmarks then they can charge a crap load more for it, and people will eat it up because its 'the best', or maybe even just because it's Nvidia.
    
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If the new kelper even comes close, I hope it encourages a massive price drop for the already bloated price tags of new AMD cards.

Agreed^^ but doubtful
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What I meant by the term 'leap' was to make a significant gain. I'm talking like a %100 lead over the competition. That simply does not make them more money. Look at Nvidia, the 580 cost how much more then the 6970, and the performance was how much higher? Nvidia does not need to compete with price to performance ratio's, all they need to do is release a card that is 5% faster, and they can charge a crap load more for it, and people will eat it up because its 'the best'.

No one would argue that. smile.gif Nvidia does typically charge more per performance.Most people would argue that driver support is better with Nvidia. I personally don't know, because I've never wned one, but that is primarily what I've seen people say.
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Agreed^^ but doubtful
No one would argue that. smile.gif Nvidia does typically charge more per performance.

Some yes some no. For instance the 280 launched @ $599USD. IMHO it was priced $100 more than what it was worth. Not much unlike the price on the 7970 @$599. IMHO its $100 more than what its worth.
However Nvidia wised up and launched Fermi@ $499USD. And it took the top performance spot the day it launched.

AMD drivers only become an issue with multi video cards.
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Hence why I said typically lol
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Only 10%? That's kind of disappointing.

10% in Battlefield, slower in 3dMark11. Yeah, this is what I thought, midrange chip labeled as the high end part b/c the real high end part isn't going to be ready until well into summer. Performance sometimes beating the 7970, sometimes losing to the 7970. Probably very peaky performance, doing very well in specific TWIWMTBP titles and about as well as a 7950 in others. It will be priced just under the 7970, at least until AMD decides if it wants to play hard ball with pricing or not, my guess is they'll be content to keep a performance lead and still sell at the higher price.
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In all honesty as another OCN member pointed out the 680 title for this GK104 GPU could have been a misprint. It most likely is the 660 being a 256 bit card.
     
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Throw this in the OP:

These are the final codenames for NVIDIA Kepler cards..

On March 23rd, NVIDIA will hard launch the Gk104 (Geforce GTX 670Ti).
At the end of May, NVIDIA will drop its Gk110 card (Geforce GTX 690).
The Gk112 (GTX 680) is not due until December of this year. (theyre in no rush to drop this card since their 670ti will trade blows with the 7970)
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