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How are you even certain that it is faster? 7970 are beasts at overclocking, the 680s may not be.

well anything about kepler is still speculation as far as I care.. I will sit back and just see.. Problem is Im thinking of doing eyefinity and I dont think 2 GB is going to cut it more than another 6 to 8 months
 
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All i can say is that Nvidia will not pull a HD 4870 stunt.

Why not?

GTX 670Ti is within 10% of the HD 7970.

and

$300 vs. $549

and

<195W TDP vs 220W TDP

looks like all cards are set if the rumours are true. It's just that there also exists a GPU faster than the "GTX 280" this time around that will be overpriced.
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The 680 will end up faster, but only by a noticeable margin in games where Nvidia has tweaked performance to suit their cards/drivers. If it comes out costing less then the 7970, then it will perform less, plain and simple.

 

 

Again, we don't even know how well the GK104 can overclock.

 

 

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well anything about kepler is still speculation as far as I care.. I will sit back and just see.. Problem is Im thinking of doing eyefinity and I dont think 2 GB is going to cut it more than another 6 to 8 months


2GB will be enough for 1440p, but a surround setup will be an absolute nightmare for  a 2GB card.

 

 


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I predict a push to 10% gain for the 680 at stock with it falling slightly behind at max OC's. I think at best we will see a push when both are at max OC. Hope I'm wrong and here's to hoping the 680 has the same OC potential.

Edit: I can't believe people still think this thing is going to be any less than $400-500. I'd be shocked if it is even less than $500.
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Again, we don't even know how well the GK104 can overclock.

Sure, but that 3Dmark11 score equals a 7970 @ 1240MHz already.

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Sure, but that 3Dmark11 score equals a 7970 @ 1240MHz already.
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If I am looking at this and that chart correctly, a 7970 at 1240mhz (34% overclock) scores 307 points higher than a GTX 680 at 1050mhz (~11% overclock)?

 

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If I am looking at this and that chart correctly, a 7970 at 1240mhz (34% overclock) scores 307 points higher than a GTX 680 at 1050mhz (~11% overclock)?


Those are GPU scores in that chart you're looking at. GTX 680 @ 1050 gets 3001, HD 7970 @ 1240 gets 3052 = 51 points difference. So yeah about equal. According to Expreview it's ~X3300 for a stock GTX 680 and X3308 for the i7 2600K + 7970 @1240 system. I don't know what CPU was used in the Expreview bench though.
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Again, we don't even know how well the GK104 can overclock.




2GB will be enough for 1440p, but a surround setup will be an absolute nightmare for  a 2GB card.


Surround at 1080p isn't so bad, the majority of titles, especially DX9 ones are sub 1GB used vram at 5760x1080. I have seen the numbers myself, sometimes 1.5GB seemed to be the sweet spot, especially if you could sacrifice a little AA. With a few exceptions such as benchmarks, even Metro2033 is playable at this resolution with 2GB of VRAM. The 6970s in Trifire wore more than adequate to power it, and they were limited to 2GB of VRAM.

Besides, you run out of GPU performance of a single or even two cards to properly power that resolution in all its fidelity usually before you hit the VRAM wall.

I agree with you though, the GK104 could blow at overclocking and the 7970's headroom may indeed end up faster. But don't forget the % of overclock is not linear to performance AND they can not be compared to each other. A 30% overclock doesn't mean 30% increase in performance, and a Geforce 30% overclock does not equal an AMD 30% overclock in terms of performance gain.

These cards are starting to look slightly... under expected.
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AMD devs had no code for AA given to EIDOS for use and testing.
Forcing it in the drivers is not the same thing as in game anti-aliasing. AA has to be coded into the game engine. Some game engines like Dead Space do not have any Anti-Aliasing. The fact is, EIDOS was given anti-aliasing code to work with from nVidia but not AMD. The fact it worked with the Vendor ID hack is a bit of luck.
EIDOS licensed from nVidia, or was given, the how-to enable Anti-Aliasing for their line of cards. Eidos was given nVidia code to use, why didn't AMD offer this support? So nVidia should do all the work and AMD just reaps the benefits? I know someone using my code and benefiting from something I wrote without my permission would urk me. Especially since this was licensed nVidia IP.
I don't get why AMD users have this sense of entitlement. nVidia gave EIDOS the code to write Anti-Aliasing in the console port. EVEN if they did prohibit AMD from using THEIR code, how is that wrong? Had they blocked AMD from giving EIDOS code, or blocked EIDOS using code given to them by AMD, that would be wrong, but optimizing a game for their hardware is not wrong.... which a lot of AMD fanboys do not understand. Just because it works better on a Geforce card, does not equate to them sabotaging it for the competition. ESPECIALLY, when the competition, AMD, IS allowed to provide the same code and provide support for developers AND shocker, this can all be done by both GPU vendors for the SAME GAME!
The Vendor check ID was implemented by EIDOS to enable AA in the options. The request for it to be removed came from nVidia. Not sure why that looks bad on nVidia?
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lol^

 

Give them what? EIDOS (or anybody) can download their developer's kit, if they can't figure out DX11 functions. (dERP!)

 

 

Secondly, Nvidia payed them not to use standard/universal code, but ones that favored Nvidia...    that is how you end up getting: TWIMTBP..

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Surround at 1080p isn't so bad, the majority of titles, especially DX9 ones are sub 1GB used vram at 5760x1080. I have seen the numbers myself, sometimes 1.5GB seemed to be the sweet spot, especially if you could sacrifice a little AA. With a few exceptions such as benchmarks, even Metro2033 is playable at this resolution with 2GB of VRAM. The 6970s in Trifire wore more than adequate to power it, and they were limited to 2GB of VRAM.
Besides, you run out of GPU performance of a single or even two cards to properly power that resolution in all its fidelity usually before you hit the VRAM wall.
I agree with you though, the GK104 could blow at overclocking and the 7970's headroom may indeed end up faster. But don't forget the % of overclock is not linear to performance AND they can not be compared to each other. A 30% overclock doesn't mean 30% increase in performance, and a Geforce 30% overclock does not equal an AMD 30% overclock in terms of performance gain.


For the upcoming games (GTA V, possibly Guild Wars 2) and a few current games like BF3, Arkham City, 2GB of VRAM for surround isn't enough. I just played Divinty 2 @ 1440p (which uses the Gamebryo engine) and I was surpassing 1200MB. 

 

BF3 at 1440p even with AA off is unplayable with my 470s simply because my cards run out of VRAM.

 

 

 

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