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this is a mainstream part. The die size is smaller than that of the 7970 and much, much smaller than GTX 280, 480, 580 etc.

This.

Maybe people would be less confusing if Nvidia would just call this something like GTX 660. It would seem like less of a high-end card if it wasn't named so similarly to their previous generations high-end cards.

The fact that Nvidia originally planed for GK104 to be a mainstream is irrelevant. It might be a mainstream die, but since Nvidia is calling it the 680 it is the high end card for this generation. GK110 is not expected until late this year, probably Q4, will likely be called the 780, and will have to compete with 8970.
Edited by JCPUser - 3/7/12 at 3:01pm
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GK110 is not expected until late this year, probably Q4, will likely be called the 780, and will have to compete with 8970.

Exactly. Will buy the 680 at launch and sell my 580. Then at the end of this year i'll buy the 780 (or whatever they call it) and sell the 680 if it's really that much better.

Chances are the 680 will still be maxing everything at 1080p at the end of this year, so depending on how hard GW2 is to run.. it's really the only game i'll likely be caring about for the next year.
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Last year's Epic Games' Unreal Engine 3 Samritan demo ran on 3 GTX 580 Nvidia cards. Today, Epic is showing it on 1 new Kepler Nvidia card

https://twitter.com/#!/stephentotilo/status/177526590236917761
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This is being called the 680 to make people think/feel that they have a top end product, this is because its going to have top end pricing and can compete with the top end amd card. They dont want to ruin their 580 and 5xx generation product sales when they know there is more life in them, as they are already plenty powerful. Basically they are drip feeding us their advancement for maximum profits instead of passing the advancement onto us, the consumer............
In reality this 104 number and 256 bit bus and small die size means that its really the mid range Keplar......the gtx 460 equivalent.
There are a few more reasons I can think of that is making nvidia do this:
-They want to refine the top end card as its probably another energy sucking monster and needs more work (so we will be getting basically the 580 equivalent instead of the 480 equivalent straight off the bat)
-They will be able to get more dolla out of the mid range Keplar product, instead of naming it what it really is, they are calling it a 680, when it should be called a 660.
- This allows nvida to extract more money from the masses, rather than release the mid range card with mid range pricing followed by their top teir product with equal pricing to the 7970, when its going to be nearly twice as powerfull, they dont want to totally destroy amd because releasing the top teir card now would limit profits and as a result this usually results in a price war, which isnt good for business and limits profits for both companies.
This is also why they have chosen to release the mid range first, instead of the top tier like they have done in the past, its simply far to good and would mean a similar price to the 7970 would destroy amd sales and cause a price war like mentioned above, and ruin their 5xx sales
Quite smart actually from a business point of view, but quite annoying for us, as we know exactly what they are up to.
edit: that explanation was terribly wrote but i think i got the point across

yes you did +1
P.S. Nvidia Kepler not Keplar
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Pretty sure Q4 we will see the 7xx series and HD8xxx series. Seems now the strat for both companies is refreshes. The 40% jumps for new generations or new process nodes may be gone.
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Stephen Totilo ‏ @stephentotilo
Last year's Epic Games' Unreal Engine 3 Samritan demo ran on 3 GTX 580 Nvidia cards. Today, Epic is showing it on 1 new Kepler Nvidia card
https://twitter.com/#!/stephentotilo/status/177526590236917761

Yield problems. They only had one card to show biggrin.gif

But seriously, is this implying 3x faster than the 580? Not going to happen.
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GK110 is not expected until late this year, probably Q4, will likely be called the 780, and will have to compete with 8970.

Exactly. Will buy the 680 at launch and sell my 580. Then at the end of this year i'll buy the 780 (or whatever they call it) and sell the 680 if it's really that much better.

Chances are the 680 will still be maxing everything at 1080p at the end of this year, so depending on how hard GW2 is to run.. it's really the only game i'll likely be caring about for the next year.


Based on the source (10% faster in BF3, but slower in 3D mark 11 than the 7970), I would think the 680 is about 20% faster than the 580 @1080 on average putting it into a tie with the 7970 over a large number of games. 7970 should win at 1600p and above. Not sure if that is worth an upgrade.....

Personally, I am skipping both 6XX and 79XX and waiting for to the end of this year for the battle between the 780 and the 8970, but to each their own. thumb.gif
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Stephen Totilo ‏ @stephentotilo
Last year's Epic Games' Unreal Engine 3 Samritan demo ran on 3 GTX 580 Nvidia cards. Today, Epic is showing it on 1 new Kepler Nvidia card
https://twitter.com/#!/stephentotilo/status/177526590236917761

Yield problems. They only had one card to show biggrin.gif

But seriously, is this implying 3x faster than the 580? Not going to happen.

doubt it. Likely they re-did the demo to get it running on kepler. we all know it's not delivering the power of 3 gtx580's in one card. like AMD's updated features and performance, there is likely something nvidia has introduced with kepler that will help it handle certain loads/features much better than the fermi can. at least, tat would be my guess.
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Things i have to say.
A) With Turbo it will mean its already Overclocked.
B) All they have to do in BF3 is enable AA and Nvidia will win against AMD.
OC HD 7970 and it will smoke it. Price will be the determining factor.
HD 7970 overclocked is ~ 40-50% Faster then GTX580 overclocked.
Even GTX285 to GTX480 was no more then 50% Jump in Performance.
This card will not be 30% faster then GTX580.

You seem to have a lot of insider knowledge about an unreleased card. Care to share?

I don't see how you can make a blind assumption that the 7970 will smoke anything aside from it's own VRMs when overclocked without knowing anything about this GK104 die aside from CUDA count. Nvidia must be feeding you info straight from the source for you to make such bold claims and believe them to be fact.

Kudos to you for being so intimate with unreleased hardware, it must be a gift.
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This is meh, just like the 7970 was meh.

You would think with this would be similar to the move from the nvidia 7k series to 8k series, but I guess not.

Here's to hoping the gtx 680 is $350.......

I wonder what they are going to name their flagship seeing as this is the gk104 not the gk110.
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