Originally Posted by FuNkDrSpOt
You seem to be horrible at staying objective and actually listening in a debate. It was already known that the CHARACTER was done but the character is not all there is to the DLC. What about all the cut-scenes, the dialog, the mission? We all said this WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY back in the start of this thread but you're too busy trying to board people on the illogical hate train.
Does not matter, the character is in the game. This means that the game was made from the beggining to accomidate DLC. This proves what I already said, that ME2 and ME3 are DLC platforms.
How is the fact that many recent titles have received the same treatment on Metacritic NOT valid to the point that Metacritic is less about an objective rating system and more about people with an agenda? Day 1 dlc or not the point is still relevant b/c it shows that people aren't rating the game, they're trying to tank it on purpose and they've done it plenty of times before.
Please tell me what I'm 'pulling out of the air'.
I already explained and clarified what I meant.
Recent titles have not received the same treatment. Regardless your point is irrelevant as if another game did the same thing and got the same treatment I would be saying the exact same thing regardless of the games sales numbers.
And I would like to point out that I asked you for specific examples of problems that people that rated this game 0s on metacritic and you refused to answer the question, is that correct? So you have no specific examples of all these issues that are wrong with the game?
How you think playing the demo, watching a few videos and reading a few articles compares to playing the full game is beyond me. You don't have enough experience to be arguing your position because you're just parroting opinions and emotions that you THINK are correct but you truly have no idea because you haven't played it.
The youtube video proves that JAVIK was complete at release, not the DLC.
So, again, to rehash. You have been asked to list the negatives/issues/bugs from ME 3 and you can't list a single one. You profess that all these 0 reviews on metacritic are right but you haven't played the game. It's so obvious that you're a hater that it's sad.
How can i respond with facts when you refuse to list the problems with the game? LIST THE ISSUES WITH THE GAME! Seriously, i'm calling you out. List them.
Again, you want a list go read my previous posts and read the matacritic reviews which I agree with. It's not my job to educate you. I told you where to find out the problems, its your problem if you choose not to read them or acknowledge them. Also your further use of insulting, hostile and derogatory language further shows how childish and immature you are.
The youtube video proves the DLC character is in the game and unlockable for the normal campain which shows that the game was designed from day one to be a DLC platform and not a complete game on the disk. This means that the game was designed not to be a complete experience that would be completed with DLC.
This is what I have been saying all along and it is supported by facts and not my bias feelings towards EA or Bioware.
I'm paranoid, but when I listed games that went through similar spam attacks, you said it was irrelevant....So i've given you examples of similar games this happened to for various reasons and you ignored it. Yeah you're objective
Circular logic doesn't mean repeating yourself, that would be ad nauseam. Circular logic is a fallacy where you assume what you're attempting to prove is right. Example: "You can't give me a C, I'm an A student!".
Hmm, ya your paranoid. Even in previous examples of this happening the criticise raised were legitimate. That is to say they were not spam attacks but rather people who were actually angry at what the developers were doing.
Thanks for giving me a definition, I know what circular logic is. Actually your example is incomplete, circular logic would have to state "I'm an A student, because I'm an A student." I'm not using circular logic. I'm using personal experience and community experience as my reasons for saying the things I say. That's a far cry for saying "the game sucks because it sucks."
On the contrary it is you who are using circular logic. The basic jist of every one of your comments are "your wrong because your wrong." Sometimes the reason you give for being wrong is "your a child," "your a hater," "I'm better than you" and so on which is just backing up your opinion with empty statements. A good example is your response to metacritic reviews in which you said "they have ceased to be relevant YEARS ago" without giving much of a reason, but I suspect even if you did give a reason it would be just as empty, self-opinionated and incomplete.
You're using circular logic because when someone questions you, you turn to what metacritic says. When we question metacritic you say they're right because you say so. When we question how you're right when you haven't played the game, you point to metacritic.
Again, using metacritic reviews is not circular logic. I would have to be saying "the game sucks because it sucks." The metacritic reviews are not saying that either. My reason for saying it sucks is not "it sucks," my reason is the facts I talked about and the facts and experiences talked about in the metacritic reviews and every other person critical of the game.
This is coming from the guy who argued that he knew as much about what takes place at a gaming studio as an actual developer ( Lordikon ) THEN argued that he knew more about the quality of ME 3 over someone who actually played it THEN argued that he KNEW that the metacritic scores and opinions were right despite not having played the game.
Hmm, selective reading I see. My ultimate responce to him was that the barriers developer studios face are irrelevant because the issues of day 1 DLC and poor quality games sold for high prices are not universal to all developers. Like I already stated there are many developers who make great content complete games without having to rely on paid DLC to complete the experience.
How old are you? Honestly.
I see you continue to be unable to get through a post without a personal insult of some sort. Maybe I should be asking you the same thing.
Why can't i excuse Day 1 dlc? Lordikon tried explaining it to you but you obviously refused to listen to him as well.
I would PREFER they give me free stuff but in lieu of that, I would rather have day 1 dlc than have it 2 months later after I've already finished the game 2 or 3 times.
Again, with regards to Lordikon's explanation. Day 1 DLC is not universal, therefore is is not a required business tactic for all developers. Therefore it is not excusable.
Also do you remember Zaheed? Yes, that was day 1 DLC for ME2 only it WAS given to people for free who bought the game. Why do you think its such a hard thing for studios and producers to give their customers certain content for free? In both cases the content was complete only thing is that now you have to pay for it.
I'm not complaining that you have to pay for DLC. I'm complaining that you have to pay for day 1 DLC and I'm complaining that ME3 is a game designed to support multiple DLC packs, tie in content from mobile spin off games and other special content. Yes some of these problems are issues with other games, no its not relevant to this discussion. If other games do it then all the more reason to criticize these practices and give your money to other studios.
Again there is so much more to this whole thing but really if you are truly ignorant of the issues that you need me to make you a list hear then there's not much more to say to you. Just go enjoy your game, and your paid day 1 DLC and the rest of the DLC you buy for this game and ignore the people who choose not to buy the game, and for good reason.