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[Dvice] 230% efficient LEDs seem to violate first law of thermodynamics

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Physicists hellbent on destroying the universe have come up with a tiny LED that produces 69 picowatts of light while using just 30 picowatts of power. That's an efficiency of above 100%, which should be impossible, but isn't. And in other breaking news, up is down, black is white, and zebras look the same.

So, how does this not totally and completely invalidate the conservation of energy? We have to look at how energy flows through the entire system, not just at the electricity in and light out. When the LED gets more than 100% electrically efficient, it starts to cool itself down, which is another way of saying that it's stealing energy (in the form of heat) from its environment and converting that heat into those over-unity photons.

This cooling effect has some interesting implications for low-power electronics, but most importantly, we can all rest just a little bit easier knowing that the basic physical rules that frame our perception of the universe have survived for one more day.

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That's awesome. LEDs that absorb surrounding energy and convert it to light.
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Cool beans!
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I'm curious how bright these actually are though at such low power levels.
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That is freakin' awesome. I'm at school so I can't view the link, do they have a price for one of these monstrosities? Also, these things are the spirit bomb! They absorb surrounding energy! Let's make a whole field of them and kill some deer and grass
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What? 0.o
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You guys all know that 69 picowatts of light is 6.9 x 10 to the -11 watts of light, right? It's the same power output as a single cell in your body. It's almost nonexistant. Bright LEDs can use about 3 watts, that's 3,000,000,000,000 picowatts!

Food for thought from the comment section at the source.

I doubt this tech will scale to usable levels anytime soon.
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You guys all know that 69 picowatts of light is 6.9 x 10 to the -11 watts of light, right? It's the same power output as a single cell in your body. It's almost nonexistant. Bright LEDs can use about 3 watts, that's 3,000,000,000,000 picowatts!

Food for thought from the comment section at the source.

I doubt this tech will scale to usable levels anytime soon.

If you put enough of them together and added more heat that they can absorb, wonder how bright they can actually make them.
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That's freaking awesome,i hope this technology comes to consumers in commercialized products.

Energy bill will be alot lower with this smile.gif
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Awesome!

I know that level of power is somewhere at the level of a single cell of a human body, so it is very small, but think of micro LED's and a sheet of 1million of them.

Machines that power themselves?
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