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post #71 of 79
3/20/12 at 8:18am
Seems like there should be a way to put this out in the heat to make electricity... But solar panels are only at like 14% or something. Be awesome to line the insides of cases with sheets of them though. A cool glow that cools your case biggrin.gif

Maybe enough of this and graphite would mean a completely fanless, low power, low heat computer.... Won't even know it's on if you have an SSD.
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3/21/12 at 12:24am
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Seems like there should be a way to put this out in the heat to make electricity... But solar panels are only at like 14% or something. Be awesome to line the insides of cases with sheets of them though. A cool glow that cools your case biggrin.gif
Maybe enough of this and graphite would mean a completely fanless, low power, low heat computer.... Won't even know it's on if you have an SSD.

I have not looked at the paper itself yet (If I can remember to do that will do later at work as I dont have full access to that journal from home) but based on the graph on physics.org its unlikely to be useful in that particular way. They need ~135 degrees for getting a bit above unity efficiency plus the power of the device is very very low as they basically rely on heat for generating these excess photons.

If you heat something up high enough I bet you can make it glow even without applying the voltage tongue.gif

Interesting result nevertheless.
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post #73 of 79
3/21/12 at 3:50am
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Seems like there should be a way to put this out in the heat to make electricity....

This is all ready being done Should have though about it years ago before they started building them.
aka magnify glass effect.


http://www.kcet.org/shows/socal_connected/content/environment/suncatchers-a-solar-tech-rundown.html


the only huge Con is it does not work at night time
Edited by punker - 3/21/12 at 3:53am
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3/21/12 at 4:28am
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Quote:
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Ok the first part made sense, but how would a fan power itself based on this? Fans are not powered by cool air or by light, and that doesn't even touch on the fact that %230 efficient doesn't mean its sticking 130% back into the power grid ... shenanigans!

hey man was just throwing random ideas round lol and things can be powerd be light, not saying enough energy would be produced to power a 120mm case fan but then again stranger things have happened smile.giftongue.giftongue.gif
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3/22/12 at 6:08am
I can see it now... Global cooling...and we are going to wish we never started reducing our emissions for golbal warming.
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3/22/12 at 10:05am
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I can see it now... Global cooling...and we are going to wish we never started reducing our emissions for golbal warming.

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hey man was just throwing random ideas round lol and things can be powerd be light, not saying enough energy would be produced to power a 120mm case fan but then again stranger things have happened smile.giftongue.giftongue.gif

Perhaps if you're suggesting using photoelectric panels instead of plastic for fan blades... That would certainly be interesting although it wouldn't be transparent and therefore would be more of a strobe light effect than the typical glowing effect found in most led fans.

At any rate that would only work if the light was able to be focused so that almost all of it fell on the panels AND we somehow got panels which were at least 80% efficient to begin with... and then you would have to worry about abrasion of the photoelectric panels due to them being in constant high velocity motion...


This is all of course under the assumption that these LEDs can be scaled up or mass produced in a dense enough array that feeding it 10 watts or so of energy would actually be feasible.
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post #78 of 79
3/22/12 at 11:24am
wouldnt this mean if it keeps sucking warmth that if we use this product much we can counter global warming biggrin.gif?

but the earth is now getting colder which means we will get it even more cold.
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wouldnt this mean if it keeps sucking warmth that if we use this product much we can counter global warming biggrin.gif?
but the earth is now getting colder which means we will get it even more cold.

No. The energy you put into this thing still has to come from somewhere.
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