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No matter how you try to spin it, only the true loyal AMD fans are buying BD.
Not really, I have seen a couple Intel boys jump the ship. If they talked to me about it I would have advised them to purchase the FX-6100 or wait for the FX-6200 instead of buying an early FX-8150. Even, then I wouldn't advise them to upgrade to Vishera, I would tell them to wait it out for Steamroller.

(Agena -> Deneb was bad timing for me. If I waited three months I could have done Agena -> Thuban.)
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When AMD is able to charge higher prices, they do it without hessitation.
Only when they are first. 6970 was after 580 GTX and it was cheaper. $499 vs $369 and a lot of people consider the 6970 being better.
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The uninformed consumers who see 8 cores @ 3.6 and think that's obviously better than those 4 core processors.
Well, I wouldn't call them uninformed. They just don't care about what we post on the internet.
Edited by Seronx - 4/6/12 at 8:45pm
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If it is cheaper it is always better. The performance price ratio always increases as the price goes down(for x86). Especially, on the AMD side where Trinity will just destroy the $169.99 and less markets.
i7 2600K is outclassed by the i5 2500K.
i7 950? was outclassed by it's Lynnfield counterpart..
Cheaper is always better when involving x86.

With AMD, it's cheaper for a reason, and you know it. When AMD is able to charge higher prices, they do it without hessitation.

But according to your logic, 2500K > 8150, since it's $30 cheaper, AND outperforms it a lot of the time.

No matter how you try to spin it, only the true loyal AMD fans are buying BD, and of course, the uninformed consumers who see 8 cores @ 3.6 and think that's obviously better than those 4 core processors.

Motherboards for a 2500k tend to cost a LOT more than motherboards for an 8150 though...

Also, there are lots of non gaming reasons to buy BD over Intel/PhenomII.
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Not really, I have seen a couple Intel boys jump the ship. If they talked to me about it I would have advised them to purchase the FX-6100 or wait for the FX-6200 instead of buying an early FX-8150. Even, then I wouldn't advise them to upgrade to Vishera, I would tell them to wait it out for Steamroller.
(Agena -> Deneb was bad timing for me. If I waited three months I could have done Agena -> Thuban.)

Why would you do anyone a disservice and advice them to wait for the FX-6200?

Have you not seen this?
http://www.overclock.net/t/1239034/pcper-amd-fx-6200-cpu-review-a-small-bulldozer-refresh/0_50

I would understand if the 6200 was a new stepping and all, but it's not.

Why wait for steamroller, when there are great alternatives in SB, and upcoming IB?

Remember what happened when people were told to wait for BD?

You shouldn't let your bias get in the way of your recommendations. Advising people to wait is about the last thing we OCN'ers should do again, unless we have reliable data of what said performance will be.
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Why wait for steamroller, when there are great alternatives in SB, and upcoming IB?
If they bought Bulldozer and they liked Bulldozer I will always recommend a BULLDOZER lineup. If they asked hey Seronx should I upgrade to...Vishera or Ivy Bridge. I would mostly recommend Ivy Bridge. Also, if they didn't mention Ivy Bridge I would recommend Ivy Bridge. If they have Sandy Bridge or Bulldozer there is no point to upgrade to the same generation. Steamroller or Haswell choose your poison.
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Not really, I have seen a couple Intel boys jump the ship. If they talked to me about it I would have advised them to purchase the FX-6100 or wait for the FX-6200 instead of buying an early FX-8150. Even, then I wouldn't advise them to upgrade to Vishera, I would tell them to wait it out for Steamroller.
(Agena -> Deneb was bad timing for me. If I waited three months I could have done Agena -> Thuban.)

Why would you do anyone a disservice and advice them to wait for the FX-6200?

Have you not seen this?
http://www.overclock.net/t/1239034/pcper-amd-fx-6200-cpu-review-a-small-bulldozer-refresh/0_50

I would understand if the 6200 was a new stepping and all, but it's not.

Why wait for steamroller, when there are great alternatives in SB, and upcoming IB?

Remember what happened when people were told to wait for BD?

You shouldn't let your bias get in the way of your recommendations. Advising people to wait is about the last thing we OCN'ers should do again, unless we have reliable data of what said performance will be.

Just to be that guy, I'm gonna point out that you're telling people to wait for IB, which you have limited data on as well (not as limited as PD) but the chips look amazing on paper, sounds like a certain construction equipment CPU that looked ready to kick buttocks in 2011. People shouldnt let bias get in the way of their references, but everyone does... called being human.
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Just to be that guy, I'm gonna point out that you're telling people to wait for IB, which you have limited data on as well (not as limited as PD) but the chips look amazing on paper, sounds like a certain construction equipment CPU that looked ready to kick buttocks in 2011. People shouldnt let bias get in the way of their references, but everyone does... called being human.

Stop spreading misinformation. Benchmarks for Ivy Bridge have already been released. We already know it will 1) have ~10% higher IPC than Sandy Bridge 2) clock higher than Sandy Bridge and 3) draw ~20% less power than Sandy Bridge (which means it uses about 1/2 the power of an FX-8150).

Anandtech charts below:
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Just to be that guy, I'm gonna point out that you're telling people to wait for IB, which you have limited data on as well (not as limited as PD) but the chips look amazing on paper, sounds like a certain construction equipment CPU that looked ready to kick buttocks in 2011. People shouldnt let bias get in the way of their references, but everyone does... called being human.

Stop spreading misinformation. Benchmarks for Ivy Bridge have already been released. We already know it will 1) have a slightly higher IPC than Sandy Bridge 2) clock higher than Sandy Bridge and 3) draw less power than Sandy Bridge.

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I've seen the slides dude. I know IB is an improvement. ALL I'm saying is there was 0 evidence for people to believe BD would be as horrid as it was until some people took the leap and bought it. I'm honestly sick and tired of everyone worshiping at intel's feet. AMD made a mistake and is slowly rectifying it. If intel did it all of you would shrug it off and STILL pay way too much for it. Also, howcome we suddenly believe a ton of benchmark slides here, but with the 7970/680 everyone was all "fake slides fake slides fake slides!" Isn't this an interesting double/triple/quadruple standard.
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Just to be that guy, I'm gonna point out that you're telling people to wait for IB, which you have limited data on as well (not as limited as PD) but the chips look amazing on paper, sounds like a certain construction equipment CPU that looked ready to kick buttocks in 2011. People shouldnt let bias get in the way of their references, but everyone does... called being human.

Thanks for being that guy and all, but we've seen plenty of IB benchmarks, and know the architecture.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5626/ivy-bridge-preview-core-i7-3770k

Edit: Got ninja'd ^^

Plus, Ivy Bridge launches this month, when does Steamroller launch? Do you know its performance? If no, why tell people to wait for it! Besides, I was using that as an example, surely you picked up on that.

Prior to SB & BD I had no problems recommending Phenom II over Intel depending on Budget and needs. Heck, my own rig started off with a 1090T + 5870 in it. I didn't let my personal bias get in the way, and went with Intel + NVIDIA graphics instead as it met my needs better.

I'd say most people on OCN are after the "Pursuit of Performance" regardless of whether AMD or Intel makes it.

Surely you remember the days when most people didn't buy Intel, 'cuz AMD was the shizzo back then. It wasn't bias, it was simply the better product.

I have 3 computers and a laptop in the house, 3 of 4 those have AMD processors in them.

The laptop ironically has a Turion & Nvidia discrete graphics in it. My next laptop will most likely have a Trinity APU in it.

Today, SB's price / performance is hard to ignore and not recommend, unless your bias gets in the way. You shouldn't let your bias get in the way of recommending products, because when you do, you're only doing a disservice to that individual. This was the point I was making to Seronx.
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Just to be that guy, I'm gonna point out that you're telling people to wait for IB, which you have limited data on as well (not as limited as PD) but the chips look amazing on paper, sounds like a certain construction equipment CPU that looked ready to kick buttocks in 2011. People shouldnt let bias get in the way of their references, but everyone does... called being human.

Thanks for being that guy and all, but we've seen plenty of IB benchmarks, and know the architecture.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5626/ivy-bridge-preview-core-i7-3770k

Edit: Got ninja'd ^^

Plus, Ivy Bridge launches this month, when does Steamroller launch? I was using that as an example, surely you picked up on that.

Prior to SB & BD I had no problems recommending Phenom II over Intel depending on Budget and needs. Heck, my own rig started off with a 1090T + 5870 in it. I didn't let my personal bias get in the way, and went with Intel + NVIDIA graphics instead as it met my needs better.

I'd say most people on OCN are after the "Pursuit of Performance" regardless of whether AMD or Intel makes it.

Surely you remember the days when most people didn't buy Intel, 'cuz AMD was the shizzo back then. It wasn't bias, it was simply the better product.

I have 3 computers and a laptop in the house, 3 of 4 those have AMD processors in them.

The laptop ironically has a Turion & Nvidia discrete graphics in it.

Today, SB's price / performance is hard to ignore and not recommend, unless your bias gets in the way. You shouldn't let your bias get in the way of recommending products, because when you do, you're only doing a disservice to that individual.

ALL I am saying is telling people to wait for things that aren't tried and true is foolish, go with the most modern release (SBE for intel OR AM3 for AMD) that people have beaten to death with tests. And no I don't simply because I've only been in the pc building game for a year. Also there are a lot of intel fanboys here, AMD ones too and believe me i give them hard times when they're wrong too.

Also, I can ignore SB because of the cost of the motherboards.
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ALL I am saying is telling people to wait for things that aren't tried and true is foolish, go with the most modern release (SBE for intel OR AM3 for AMD) that people have beaten to death with tests. And no I don't simply because I've only been in the pc building game for a year. Also there are a lot of intel fanboys here, AMD ones too and believe me i give them hard times when they're wrong too.
Also, I can ignore SB because of the cost of the motherboards.

That's exactly what I was saying! But you had to go and be that guy. tongue.gif

Also, SB cannot be ignored because of motherboard prices, now you're spreading misinformation.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=-1&isNodeId=1&Description=z68+motherboards&x=0&y=0

Look at Anandtech's 990FX roundup
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5714/990fx-motherboard-roundup-with-thuban-and-bulldozer-a-second-wind-for-asus-gigabyte-msi-and-biostar

$215 - ASUS Crosshair V Formula
$185 - ASUS Sabertooth 990FX
$180 - Gigabyte 990FXA-UD5
$195 - MSI 990FXA-GD80
$130 - Biostar TA990FXE

4/5 of those boards are closer to $200.
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