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Originally Posted by _GTech View Post

*Yawn* another failed experiment in the works you say?
I'll be buying Ivy Bridge this round, thanks, but no thanks...
No L3 Cache? What were they thinking? Surely this is going to hurt performance significantly, surely!

L3 cache takes up way to much space for way too little increase in performance not to mention the added latency given this is an APU we're talking about. What do you want? 4% more CPU performance, or 50% more GPU performance?
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I'm thinking that it'll overclock pretty well. It'll cut down on heat pretty significantly at higher clocks. Can you imagine what it'll do on LN2? I'm pretty sure RCM becomes more effective as clock speeds increase.


Bulldozer design will hit 10ghz soon. Whether it's Piledriver, Steamroller, whatever. Further process enhancements and even more enhancement on RCM will continue to help AMD with this clock speed based architecture.

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Originally Posted by Imglidinhere View Post

I don't care if the clocks are the same. I want higher IPC over current bulldozer chips. rolleyes.gif


You'll see both. 5-20% IPC increase depending on program and instruction set, along with significantly better clock advantage. AMD will have a mighty fine CPU in Piledriver if it can do 5.5 on water. Thank god for FMA3 being universal, i can see AMD doing very well in FMA3 based benchmarks with 8 strong threads.
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Desktop PC's aren't their main focus, however Piledriver is still very important to them.

Good info here. I'm starting to see FX based stuff in retail stores.

8 cores, 3+ghz on the fact tag. Customers are in awe. They don't know any better. AMD can gain sifinicant ground in desktop space based on the specs alone. Performer or not.

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Originally Posted by HybridCore View Post

IIRC won't Vishera have a lower TDP?

Most models, but flagship models will still be 125w TDP but with significantly higher clockspeed. If i'm AMD i'm making an a Extreme variant of FX. FX 8370 or 8390 X with (classic) 140w TDP and 4.5 / 4.6 base clock. That'd be fun biggrin.gif Not to mention they'd look great in benchmarks/reviews compared with previous FX @ 3.6 or Intel offerings at mid 3 ghz.
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Unfortunately, Steamroller is going to be focusing on increasing parallelism. You know what that means.
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Unfortunately, Steamroller is going to be focusing on increasing parallelism. You know what that means.

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Unfortunately, Steamroller is going to be focusing on increasing parallelism. You know what that means.

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Well, at least more modules means turbo could kick in more often.

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Im with you. I was in the exact same boat. I saw where someone trying to slam you on your decision to wait compared buying AMD chips to playing the stock market!? biggrin.gif That has to be the funniest thing i ever heard. Except one thing. Even the stock market dont make big claims, and then come out and release a chip worse then previous 2-3 year old chips, and fail, you already know going in that its a chance. This chip will most likely be little to no improvement over current chips. If we go in with that attitude we cannot get burned like last time. Also, Piledriver has most likely been scratched or seriously delayed after the failed Bulldozer. The plans you see floating around were made pre Bulldozer release I believe. AMD has said that the desktop PC market just isnt their main focus anymore as for now.
http://www.kbmod.com/2011/11/29/a-sad-day-amd-no-longer-focusing-on-desktop-market/
http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Not-Competing-With-Intel-Anymore-Goes-Mobile-237103.shtml
http://www.techspot.com/news/47304-amd-will-focus-less-on-desktop-cpus-more-on-mobile-apus.html

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*Yawn* another failed experiment in the works you say?
I'll be buying Ivy Bridge this round, thanks, but no thanks...
No L3 Cache? What were they thinking? Surely this is going to hurt performance significantly, surely!
Llano did not come with L3 either. Like stated before this helps conserve room on the die. A easy way to counter that is a bigger L2 cache, which hasn't been done here again. The should up the L2 cache to 2MB on the 2 module chips and 8MB on the 4 module chips. Lets not forget Trinity is not to replace Bulldozer, its meant to be the successor to Llano. The higher end 8 cores to replace Bulldozer come out later in Q3/Q4.
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In a way, Trinity actually does have more L2 than Llano. When only one core in a module is at work, it has access to the rest of the L2 in the module.
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I hope this Vishera, assuming it actually ever comes into existence, doesn't suck as badly as Bulldozer. I realize that without lots more r&d, BD just isn't going to suddenly become good. I just wish I could use that 990x board I have currently being nothing better than a reminder that I wasted money on it. :-(
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