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Originally Posted by xd_1771 View Post

Maybe we won't get higher IPC.  But if we get higher clock speeds and higher clock speed capabilities at lower power envelope, it works just the same.  Instructions per second.  If Pentium 4 didn't consume exorbitant amounts of power consumption and heat at the higher ~3.8Ghz clock speed levels and could manage that clock speed with the same power envelope as the competitor at the same price offering the same performance, it would have been the most successful CPU, ever.  People keep mentioning IPC; that is not the whole point of the argument.

If AMD released Piledriver and it required 6Ghz to match the performance provided at 4Ghz on an Intel 22nm Ivy Bridge processor, but did so at lower power consumption and would be able to overclock to frequencies at which it could provide performance equivalent to or higher than Intel's processor at the same or lower power envelope, they would surely have the win here, or are you going to continue using the IPC argument?

IPC
is
dead.

I don't think that Prescott is the direction AMD is going here.  New technologies like resonant clock mesh (pretty much AMD's equal to Intel's 3D transistors) can and will allow for further clock speed improvements and if not further IPC, we will get further IPS at the same or lower power envelope and this is totally acceptable too.  I'm sure AMD knows what BD's problems are/were; I believe they also have the capacity to pinpoint them and fix them.

IPC is far from dead because Intel has been able to keep up clockspeed wise and has a SIGNIFICANT IPC advantage. In the years to come when CPU's are into 7+ ghz daily, only then will IPC start to not mean as much. As long as Intel keeps clocking as high or higher daily than AMD, IPC is a big factor. The biggest, actually.

Everything else, i agree with you though xD. Especially your last paragraph. I also believe AMD know's every little problem with BD and will fix what they can.
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post #72 of 217
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More cores is not a indicator of better performance. BD shows such is possible

It is in scenarios where all cores are used. The problem with Bulldozer is that those scenarios often don't exist.
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It'd be easier for them to speed up BD than Nehalems, considering where BD is lacking is more obvious. (For example, cache latency and lack of higher than SB OCed clock speeds)

Nehalem is old business.

Sandy Bridge isn't the same architecture.
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It'll be a good proc... AMD always turns the second gen procs into a mainstream product for a couple years. Then will fallow a revision or two with lower power requirements and tweaks that will gain the OC crowd back.

No matter which way you look at it, PIleDriver will be a success to AMD.

Success to the enthusiast crowd? ... In my mind and from AMD's history, I believe so.

AMD has always released a new architecture that at least kept up (Bulldozer, Phenom). Once the second gen of the architecture is rolled out (Piledriver, Phenom II) they hold steady ground for the next year or two.

Regardless of the AMD hate spreading around, its going to be good for the market as a whole. And further separating their architecture from Intel's designs just means a faster pace in processor tech. More architectural branches will be explored.

This is going to become a very interesting tech world in the next 5 years. I for one am happy to be a part of it. thumb.gif
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Nehalem is old business.
Sandy Bridge isn't the same architecture.

His point is that Bulldozer has tons of obvious flaws... it's not hard to improve garbage.
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BD alone would be much better on an enhanced process much less RCM.

First Phenom 2 quads needed 1.6v for 4ghz. Now you have Phenom 2 six cores doing 4.3@ 1.45 and retail quads @ 3.7 within TDP.

I fully expect PD to clock to 5.3ghz daily. Hopefully.
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I'm curious as to whether RCM can be used on GPUs. At any rate, Cyclos Semiconductor is going to be making lots of money.
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^ I'm pretty sure it's being used on Trinity
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Well yeah, for the CPU portion. I dunno if it's helping the GPU out too.
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They do have 2 module chips, and they do clock high, just not high enough. It'll be fixed with Piledriver.

Pretty sure all the quads and hexas are all chips with locked (usually faulty) cores.
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