Originally Posted by Plan9
Oh do grow up.
I couldn't give a rats behind whether you nor anyone else like Linux. I'm just making an observation that every single post of yours is moaning (and usually complaints based on misinformation)
Windows cannot ship without a command line, so by your logic, Windows isn't desktop ready either.
I agree with your observation but not with your conclusion.
Windows can ship without a command line, they include it becuase some people asked for the feature. The average windows users can go his whole life without ever opening the command line. Because Windows put in allot of careful usability study's to determine best practice. though since Win vista, some stuff is a absolute pain to deal with.
The CLI has absolutely nothing to do with GUI design as a desktop application can easily facilitate both (and in fact, most do). The problem with GUI design is as simple as developers not being designers. But that goes back to my point about corperate financial backing as without that, you cannot employ designers to design (like MS and Apple do), so you're left with developers designing.
No, your missing my point, again in a obvious manner. Strip the CLI out of the system, and confront the problem. The CLI has become a crutch, and its hurting linux desktop uptake. Becuase if the gui doesn't offer the rudimentary function, somebody will be like, but they could just
sudo $get /if ?who --really //care ..in 34/divide-by-zero --some odd langauge
You have absolutely no idea about the history of computers if you truely belive that.
GUIs are better than CLI for some things. CLI is better than GUIs for other things. Even Microsoft knows this because they've been continually releasing refined command shells of their own (Windows Powershell, CLI .NET APIs, GUI-less Windows Server editions, etc).
Most USERS HATE TEXT BASED COMPUTING
I really do with people would quit the whole GUI vs CLI nonsense because /both/ are required for a usable modern OS. To argue that one is definitely better than the other is nothing short of ignorant.
Fair enough. However joining a Linux forum to slag off Linux in every single post is a sign of being a hater. I've been critical of Linux too, but it's been more of a balanced opinion as I can acknowledge both the positives and negatives, which you cannot. To be frank, I'm bored of your blind rage: it's unbalanced and often completely ignorant (as demonstrated with the CLI rant).
CLI is not required on most any commercial OS product outside of sys administration, and thats a dubious edge case.
So prove you're not a hater and say something positive about Linux. A 100% positive comment with no conditions attached. Go on, I dare you
I don't feel 100% fuzzy about anything. So I will not participate in your smoke blowing fiasco. I don't need to validate my well formed opinion, having been a Linux user for sometime. Theres plenty of good things about the linux ecosystem, most of the thing I might view as positives, are perceived as negatives by others. Its all about your personal use case. But remember, you and I are minority users, we are the exception, not the rule.
That's the first thing you've posted which I'm 100% behind. There is a whole world outside of the big 3 OSs.
(Also, I missed MorphOS off my previous list lol)
That proves just how narrow your view is, I am not out to re-enforce your ideas, and if you are constantly seeking others who share only your views, this would be your problem. The internet has made it to easy to not challenge ones own views. Just find a social group you agree with and become more feverent. Its called radicalism when it involves religion.
I'd prefer to just make my case, and give my opinion. If you can find anywhere in any of my posts in this thread, where I called Ubuntu garbage, be my guest.The OP still has yet to define what he wants in his OS, and that really matters.