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Poll Results: Is Ubuntu junk?

 
  • 31% (61)
    Yes
  • 68% (133)
    No
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Originally Posted by Shrak View Post

Any problems yet? tongue.gif

No because I used ArchBang! It guesses all the configs and has a text-based (but not CLI) installer. Did a good job. GUI & audio working straight away biggrin.gif
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It technically how GTK/Gnome started.
In their first few releases everything was EXTREMELY customizable, or at least easily hacked to the way of your liking. Then little be litting things started getting tighter and tighter. We lost GDM customizations (the cool ones and not the crappy later version of Gnome 2.xx and 3), which are packaged as gdm-old in most distro's now because everyone wanted it back. Then in Gnome 3, you lose the Gnome panel, and legacy mode is just not as freely customizable, as it was before. Still doable, but takes too much effort to make it happen.
And likely going to be more crack downs on it.

GTK has nothing to do with GNOME. GTK was invented for GIMP, it was only later that GNOME used it (due to GTK being GNU GPL and Qt being proprietary). In fact the sole reason GNOME was created was to offer a GNU alternative to Qt + KDE as there were question marks around the future of Qt (well, in RMS's opinion there were - but Stallman is so far down the elitist FOSS mindset that a great deal of his options can be easily dismissed).

Shuttleworth had nothing to do with GNOME nor GTK (in fact Ubuntu didn't even exist back then) and GTK was around before / wasn't invented for GNOME.


Personally, I never liked GNOME, not now, not in the v1.x days. I'd always try it out, it would last a day and then I'd switch back to whatever I was using.
Edited by Plan9 - 3/18/12 at 9:41am
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Originally Posted by randomizer View Post

Sorry, I had to Wikipedia-ise the quote.
Do you have any evidence to support that most Windows users use it flawlessly? Surely we wouldn't need tech support then.

I'm drawing conclusions on personal experience.

"Most" are the people who I installed Windows for and whose PCs are running even today. When they download and install applications, their stuff runs. They can't be used in my Linux sample because they would not have a clue how to use it.

The not-many for Linux are many installations of my own Linux machines and myself - a person who supports the people whose Windows installs are fine. When I install and try to run an application in Linux I have a decent likelihood that my stuff won't work.

The thing is - you know and I know. We don't need proofs or evidence.
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Most Windows users I know, know how to open a browser and use google/facebook/myspace, and that's about it. When it comes to everything else, they're as blind in Windows as they are in Linux.
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Originally Posted by Shrak View Post

Most Windows users I know, know how to open a browser and use google/facebook/myspace, and that's about it. When it comes to everything else, they're as blind in Windows as they are in Linux.

I know a few that will be able to install applications and make more use of it.

But the point is taken though, not to wade from the OP's question too much...

If it has to come down to Linux distributions, I'd pick Ubuntu myself and stick to an LTS distribution and no 3D bells and whistles. If I want something with more recent software and 64-bit, I'd go wit Fedora 16. That's just a guess based on what what I've experienced.

The point is that if you are picking Linux for your desktop/workstation you will be constantly changing it and you will come to rely on it to be working all the time and correctly. I do not believe that any of the distributions so far can provide enough reliability for that and what's why I voted - Junk smile.gif. The worst thing that can happen would be to get attached to the install and have it break beyond repair (or beyond you spending reasonable amount of time fixing it) at some point, so I'd really suggest to take Linux lightly and be ready to reinstall the OS at any time.

Also I would advise against doing any "automatic updates". Windows started this annoyance, but Ubuntu managed to excel at it. I think I was being nagged all the time with 120 "important" updates at one point about a month or so after doing the install an updating everything.
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I don't think Ubuntu is junk if used as a base. I have fond memories of Hardy Heron, Intrepid, and Jaunty which were great operating systems in their time. The problem is today Ubuntu uses Unity and relies heavily on Compiz, both of which are garbage. They tend to be slow and power inefficient, something I cannot stand for now that I use a laptop for all my computing.

You nailed it right to the point - confirming my own observations.
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I'm drawing conclusions on personal experience.
"Most" are the people who I installed Windows for and whose PCs are running even today. When they download and install applications, their stuff runs. They can't be used in my Linux sample because they would not have a clue how to use it.
The not-many for Linux are many installations of my own Linux machines and myself - a person who supports the people whose Windows installs are fine. When I install and try to run an application in Linux I have a decent likelihood that my stuff won't work.
The thing is - you know and I know. We don't need proofs or evidence.

I would agree with you, except the type of applications that have fails during install in Ubuntu and the like tend to be ones users won't install.
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You nailed it right to the point - confirming my own observations.

Hence why I use xubuntu, lubuntu or kubuntu.
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I dislike Ubuntu.

Reason:


  • I feel Ubuntu is slow

  • I dislike their pre-installed software

  • I dislike all the wallpapers (I know you can download a lot more, but the default should be half good, right?!)

  • I dislike the default GUI (again I know you can change it but many Windows converts won't)

  • I feel it detracts the user from the inner workings of the OS and is trying to make actions way too easy.

  • I hate how you can really do everything on a GUI and never ever have to touch the command line; it's such a big thing in Linux.



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So I guess that means you're enjoying Arch then? tongue.gif
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